Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by fan49:
So Joey played 7 games one season, 12 another. So only played one season fully. His dad had career ending injury. Nick has missed almost a whole season, tore his ACL senior year in highschool school. But no one can see he has a better chance to miss games than most due to injury lol.

Still BPA

So let's get a player that probably is injury prone

Yep

Yep. His technique is good enough so if needed, he could probably beef up and change his style of play.
For freaks like Clowney and Fournette, their performance seems dependent on their health.

Originally posted by All22:
Film Room: Why Dwayne Haskins is the top quarterback in the 2019 NFL Draft

I like Murray and he has a higher ceiling but Haskins is more of the traditional QB mold that teams really like. OSU's offense was also a lot more "Pro-Style" than it was under Urban Meyer so that's a huge advantage he'll have over spread QB's like Murray.

Kingsbury's is a spread offense.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by All22:
Film Room: Why Dwayne Haskins is the top quarterback in the 2019 NFL Draft

I like Murray and he has a higher ceiling but Haskins is more of the traditional QB mold that teams really like. OSU's offense was also a lot more "Pro-Style" than it was under Urban Meyer so that's a huge advantage he'll have over spread QB's like Murray.

Kingsbury's is a spread offense.

Exactly. That's why the rest of the league probably prefers Haskins, allowing the Cardinals to trade back and still get Murray.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by fan49:

I'm looking at his numbers, and that he has had NFL coaching his whole life. So I doubt he'll get that much better in the NFL.

Look, just put Nick Bosa Vs into YouTube, it shows all the snaps he played in that game, takes between 4-8 mins. Watch one of those and then come back.

Stats are nice to use as a quick point of reference, but is worse than highlights are for evaluating players from.

Your not seeing my point. The sack count, is relevant. But the fact that he's had NFL coaching his whole life tells me,. He won't get too much better.

Just ridiculous, in the time it took you to come up with that nonsense you could have watched him.

I'm done debating with you, since you love sack numbers so much I will bet you Nick gets over 10 sacks his rookie year.

We are not debating the sam thing. The tape shows he's been coached by pros his whole life. He's polished. I get it. My point again says that him being coached that much, means he doesn't have that much room to grow.

Q Williams , draft him. He is best player available

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This is the s**t I'm talking about...Bosa f**ks up plays period

5 straight plays. Bosa involved in QB hits, pressure or tackle. This is not including his 2 sacks and fumble recovery he had this game. Every down he has to be accounted for. pic.twitter.com/vYbS4q9c8v

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) March 8, 2019

You do realize that is against Oregon State, right?

Bosa dominated a 1-8 team! Yipeeeee!!!!!

Oh so sorry...you're right good players shouldn't be dominating lesser competition

How about Wisconsin who's known for having top end OL prospects...dude was winning all night and they had to double him constantly

Originally posted by All22:

If they're gonna take Murray then they might as well trade back. No one else wants him in the top 5 at least. Maybe even the top-10.

Oakland might want him....also you don't press your luck on possibly missing out on a qb you supposedly love. Take the FQB and don't get cute. Also teams don't move to 1 for a defensive player doesn't happen.

I'm sure we will take Bosa if there, but I'd rather not. Williams just is the superior player even though it's not as much of a need for us. Or trade down . It feels like Solomon Thomas pick all over again. Is Bosa really worth the # 2 pick? Is he that type of difference maker? I don't think he is.

Originally posted by fan49:

Injury blah blah blah. His brother doesn't play when he's slightly hurt, and his dad had a career ending injury

And Allen gets a f**k ton of unblocked sacks with lesser flim? Also, I didn't know injuries were hereditary? He's not a better pass rusher at this pt just isn't.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:

I'm sure we will take Bosa if there, but I'd rather not. Williams just is the superior player even though it's not as much of a need for us. Or trade down . It feels like Solomon Thomas pick all over again. Is Bosa really worth the # 2 pick? Is he that type of difference maker? I don't think he is.

He's actually not a superior player. I have no idea how you feel like it's the Solomon Thomas pick all over again? Explain please.

I feel like you haven't watch him at all when you're saying stuff like that.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:

Q Williams , draft him. He is best player available

Yup AZ should take him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Oh so sorry...you're right good players shouldn't be dominating lesser competition

How about Wisconsin who's known for having top end OL prospects...dude was winning all night and they had to double him constantly

This whole video was meh for me. I just don't see superstar edge impact in Bosa like other star edge rushers. That's not to say he's not very talented and worthy of a high round pick though.
QWilliams shows more -game changing- star qualities as far at highlights, but that's just my oppinion. The other bad thing for us is we already have too much invested at the DT position over the past 4 drafts to justify taking another DT. That being said though, the duo of Buckner and Williams, together with Trey Flowers would be possibly the best defensive front in the league. We would also have great depth with Thomas in the rotation, but we would have a huge issue with that much money invested in that position.

Tough call, but the old saying is...."success is built in the trenches".

Originally posted by KamLeon:

This whole video was meh for me. I just don't see superstar edge impact in Bosa like other star edge rushers. That's not to say he's not very talented and worthy of a high round pick though.
QWilliams shows more -game changing- star qualities as far at highlights, but that's just my oppinion. The other bad thing for us is we already have too much invested at the DT position over the past 4 drafts to justify taking another DT. That being sarcastic d though, the duo of Buckner and Williams, together with Trey Flowers would be possibly the best defensive front in the league. We would also have great depth with Thomas in the rotation, but we would have a huge issue with that much money invested in that position.

Tough call, but the old saying is...."success is built in the trenches".

I'm not sure what you're expecting from an edge rusher. Dude won like 70% of his pass rusher snaps constantly beating his man. They had to throw the TE/RBs on top of the tackle to stop him. He constantly was getting into their gaps and f**king up plays.

It's not a highlight video it's a full game.

You do realize he's a DE who is part of "winning in the trenches" SF also has 3 first rd picks into DT. They're about to invest $17-18 million per yr into Buck, and have two young studs in Jones/streets that haven't even gotten many (or any) snaps. Like you said yourself there's enough invested there.

We've been crying for a true LEO and that's exactly what Bosa is in this scheme. If we draft another DT and Bosa is still there I'll lose my s**t and I'm betting so will niner nation as a whole.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by jgarf08:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

This is the s**t I'm talking about...Bosa f**ks up plays period

5 straight plays. Bosa involved in QB hits, pressure or tackle. This is not including his 2 sacks and fumble recovery he had this game. Every down he has to be accounted for. pic.twitter.com/vYbS4q9c8v

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) March 8, 2019

My love for Josh Allen is well documented. And I have even mentioned I don't think Bosa is on the Myles Garrett/Von Miller level.

That being said, if the 49ers have the chance to draft Nick Bosa, you run the card to the commish..don't over think it. Well combine, injury, blah blah blah...draft him and thank your lucky stars you were in position to.

Injury blah blah blah. His brother doesn't play when he's slightly hurt, and his dad had a career ending injury

Wrong.

His brother had a dislocated finger in his rookie year and played with for most of that season. Had to have surgery on it after the season.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Look I don't often if ever agree with Grant, but on this I do. I've watched plenty of Bosa & Josh Allen. Allen has much more of an Aldon Smith body am similar pass rush style. I'm just not impressed by Bosa. I think He's not anywhere near Joey. I would much rather have Allen coming off the edge plus 2 or 3 extra picks. For me Grant Cohn is right on this one.

What are you watching if your saying he looks more like aldon smith? Outside of them both being African American there's not much else there. Allen doesn't have long freakish arms like smith, he has a bunch of nothing as far as power goes (smith did), Aldon's hands were great Allen's are not etc... Sweat is more Aldon smith then Allen and even he's not as technical/flexible as smith was.

Again for the 100th time Bosa and Allen wouldn't play the same position, so let's stop acting like they would. Bosa is more Mack that would be our 3-down LEO. Allen would be a SAM LBer who rushes in sub. Not the same. Lynch has talked about how he wants speed AND power at the edge position.

Finally where are you getting 2/3 picks and still getting Allen? Dude could very well go to the Jets or Oakland right after us.

Grant once again is wrong and constantly proves he doesn't know s**t about football.

Reading some of the anti-Bosa takes has me thinking that even if Lawrence Taylor was available in this draft at #2, some Zoners would say we should pick someone else. Lol

Bosa isn't LT. he isn't even Myles Garrett. This is why people can question drafting him. Every player gets picked apart this time of year. We probably wasted the No. 3 overall two years ago on Thomas. There is a concern that whomever we draft at 2 will disappoint.

Having said this there are few guarantees in any draft. Bosa is a player that probably has less risk than Allen or Burns. But there are still risks.

If it were me, even if Bosa were available I would be inclined to trade down if possible and accumulate more picks. But that's statistics at play more than a red flag with Bosa. I'd rather take 3-4 chances on landing a great player, not just one chance.

If we draft Bosa, I think he becomes a good player for us. Someone that gives us 8-10 sacks a year. Do I think we could get more from Allen or Burns? Not really. But could either of those guys also get us 8-10 sacks a year? And if so, would you rather have that player and additional high picks, or Bosa?

Let's assume Bosa is greater than expected, his injuries are nothing to worry about, and he becomes a perennial 12-15 sack a year player. Do you take the additional 5 sacks a year over, say, the production that Burns, a 2nd rounder this year, and a 2nd rounder next year would get you?

It's not just the sacks/stats, that's the problem with this line of thinking. Football isn't played on a stat sheet. The pressure that Bosa can create and the need for opposing offenses to have to gameplan for and account for him frees up other players to also make plays. Bosa's affect on the rest of the defense is LIGHT YEARS ahead of any other player that's available. I'm judging by tape, not the combine. The combine gets way too much attention and takes away from the actual game itself.

You can't just say "Bosa isn't LT." LT wasn't LT when he came out, hell he didn't even go #1 overall. Some scrub RB was chosen over him. Although you're right that there is no "guarantee," Bosa is as sure of a bet as you can possibly get in this, or any, draft.

Good response. It's not JUST about the sacks he is likely to get. It's the constant pressure. The fact that there IS a threat on the edge to go long with our threat up the middle. It means our DBs do not have to cover as long. It can potentially lead to more turnovers because QBs will make as a result of more constant pressure. It means more cleanup sacks for guys like Thomas, Armstead, Day, and Blair, the latter two who generate their own pressure as quality backups already. Everything gets better with a pass rusher like Nick Bosa. And the beauty of it is that more so than any other ER in this draft, he is a day one, 3-down starter.