Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Well you test that home..... and record how it performs.

In the case of Bosa, he has played the game. We know how he performs. We have game tape and stats that can measure his performance. We also know he had access to above average conditioning/strength coaching since he started playing ball.

You can look at some players like, QW and think...my god what would happen if this guy had NFL nutrition and NFL strength and conditioning. He is more likely to be a better pro then he is a college player. In fact if he had better strength/conditioning since he was a teenager he would have been even MORE dominant against college level players.

Yep and Bosa showed that he can absolutely dominate. What he put on tape is that he can win in all the ways you'll want an NFL edge rusher to win.


That is what you're looking for when you watch a player. How much of his game translates to the NFL. Are they just a great college player who will be limited at the next level or are they someone whose ability will allow them to thrive in the NFL?


In that regard, Nick Bosa has an even more diverse collection of traits than his brother.

Great post Phoenix, it's exactly the same thing when watching someone like Michael Thomas (and now Riley Ridley) identify the traits that matter, but watch them play, don't just guess because of stats or combine, or family history.

If you watch Bosa play and don't think he's a stud you just don't know football.

People need to go back and watch all of his games this season. He was going to have an insane year if he didn't get hurt because he was getting better every week.

Watching the TCU game right now, and I'm reminded that Nick has freakish brute strength. Dude stands up the tackle and guard like nothing. He got matched up with TCU's TE at one point and obliterated the poor kid lol.

Hero, I'm reading that his snapcount was low in college because they had a deep rotation of players along the DL. Any concern that his motor will not run hot if given a high snapcount in a game?

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, I'm reading that his snapcount was low in college because they had a deep rotation of players along the DL. Any concern that his motor will not run hot if given a high snapcount in a game?

Nah.

Originally posted by thl408:

Hero, I'm reading that his snapcount was low in college because they had a deep rotation of players along the DL. Any concern that his motor will not run hot if given a high snapcount in a game?

Nah, he was full time this year, albiet only 3 games and was still wrecking at the end (until his injury)

All rookies should do some rotation anyway as the NFL season is longer and harder.

I could easily let Blair take his place on 2nd and 8 from the 30.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Nah.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Nah, he was full time this year, albiet only 3 games and was still wrecking at the end (until his injury)

All rookies should do some rotation anyway as the NFL season is longer and harder.

I could easily let Blair take his place on 2nd and 8 from the 30.

Originally posted by fan49:

Honest question. With no answer being well if he finished the season....

If bosa could not get more than 9 sacks in a season, how would he in the NFL? I think he's at his max because he have been coached by pros basically his whole life

Honest question. Why don't you have Jaylon Ferguson higher than Allen if you only care about production?

Jaylon played at a smaller school as well so shouldn't that mean his upside is much higher than Allen?

Originally posted by thl408:
Hero, I'm reading that his snapcount was low in college because they had a deep rotation of players along the DL. Any concern that his motor will not run hot if given a high snapcount in a game?

no way he's got a Jared Allen type motor.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by fan49:
Honest question. With no answer being well if he finished the season....

If bosa could not get more than 9 sacks in a season, how would he in the NFL? I think he's at his max because he have been coached by pros basically his whole life

Honest question. Why don't you have Jaylon Ferguson higher than Allen if you only care about production?

Jaylon played at a smaller school as well so shouldn't that mean his upside is much higher than Allen?

I vote Sutton Smith #1 overall player if we're looking at stats only

Seriously though, I hope AZ scouts like that and let's Bosa drop to us

It's oversimplifying it but the reality is current d line is stacked with talent, then literally one good -but old cb, one above average but unspectacular lb in warner, and by far the worst secondary/lb make up in the nfl outside of those 2 players. Still managed to finish last year with a respectable defense releatiey speaking.

Can't see using a #2 on dline, too valuable in a trade with all the talent in later rounds. This draft will yield a starting mlb,cb and edge rusher for the value of that pick alone. Bosa would be a terrrible pick for this team.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yep and Bosa showed that he can absolutely dominate. What he put on tape is that he can win in all the ways you'll want an NFL edge rusher to win.

That is what you're looking for when you watch a player. How much of his game translates to the NFL. Are they just a great college player who will be limited at the next level or are they someone whose ability will allow them to thrive in the NFL?

In that regard, Nick Bosa has an even more diverse collection of traits than his brother.

I like Nick more then his brother too.

I really like his lower center of gravity.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Yep and Bosa showed that he can absolutely dominate. What he put on tape is that he can win in all the ways you'll want an NFL edge rusher to win.

That is what you're looking for when you watch a player. How much of his game translates to the NFL. Are they just a great college player who will be limited at the next level or are they someone whose ability will allow them to thrive in the NFL?

In that regard, Nick Bosa has an even more diverse collection of traits than his brother.

I like Nick more then his brother too.

I really like his lower center of gravity.

I have watched a ton of Ohio State the last few years, a lot of my friends are O.H. fans and I am obviously in Penn State territory. Nick is twice the player his brother was. It may not have shown up on the stat sheet to that degree but Joey got to play for peak Urban, not losing his mind doing James Brown impressions Urban.

Originally posted by bopicksix:
It's oversimplifying it but the reality is current d line is stacked with talent, then literally one good -but old cb, one above average but unspectacular lb in warner, and by far the worst secondary/lb make up in the nfl outside of those 2 players. Still managed to finish last year with a respectable defense releatiey speaking.

Can't see using a #2 on dline, too valuable in a trade with all the talent in later rounds. This draft will yield a starting mlb,cb and edge rusher for the value of that pick alone. Bosa would be a terrrible pick for this team.

All-time NFL record for fewest turnovers does not a respectable defense make. I would argue that the most impactful position for that is ER, which is seconded by a league worst sack total avoided only by a couple of outlier games (like the Raiders). Still near worst.

Au contraire, you won't see me complain one bit if we spend all our draft picks on defense (not gonna happen, anyway).

Originally posted by bopicksix:
It's oversimplifying it but the reality is current d line is stacked with talent, then literally one good -but old cb, one above average but unspectacular lb in warner, and by far the worst secondary/lb make up in the nfl outside of those 2 players. Still managed to finish last year with a respectable defense releatiey speaking.

Can't see using a #2 on dline, too valuable in a trade with all the talent in later rounds. This draft will yield a starting mlb,cb and edge rusher for the value of that pick alone. Bosa would be a terrrible pick for this team.

Stacked with talent...yet our biggest need is edge rusher. Makes sense...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bopicksix:
It's oversimplifying it but the reality is current d line is stacked with talent, then literally one good -but old cb, one above average but unspectacular lb in warner, and by far the worst secondary/lb make up in the nfl outside of those 2 players. Still managed to finish last year with a respectable defense releatiey speaking.

Can't see using a #2 on dline, too valuable in a trade with all the talent in later rounds. This draft will yield a starting mlb,cb and edge rusher for the value of that pick alone. Bosa would be a terrrible pick for this team.

Stacked with talent...yet our biggest need is edge rusher. Makes sense...

Some people still don't consider ER "Line". They are still stuck in the OLB mentality.