Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by daragon:

I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

Don't tempt fate. Let's wait until it actually happens.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Leo is not a high impact position?! WTF are you talking about.

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

i'm scratching my head at this post to the point of rawness...the amount of wtf in that post is pretty incredible.

1. There is no more impactful position in the NFL outside of QB than pass rusher. Just look at the players that just got franchised tagged and how many of them are pass rushers. Check how many top pass rushers in the NFL are non first rounders. Out of the top 20 guys last year in sacks the only guys not drafted in the first round were

Chris Jones
Danielle Hunter
Frank Clark
Calais Campbell
Demarcus Lawerence
Jarran Reed

Out of all of thsoe guys only Danielle Hunter was a 3rd rounder and a bunch of those guys dropped in the draft due to off the field issues like Chris Jones and Frank Clark.

2. Solid group up front? Where do you think DE plays?

3. Michael Bennett didn't play Leo. The league is different now and as you can see from point 1 pass rushers are not easy to find later in the draft for a reason.

4. When you're picking high you need to invest in positions which are not easy to find later in the draft or frequently available in free agency.

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking, it's how you draft duds and miss on superstars.

As long as you haven't got a young, loaded and signed up position room every position bar FB, K and Punter is in play at every draft pick.

If you have players you evaluate that are close together, you use positional value and team need to separate them. Don't pass on elite for good.

If we hadn't have whiffed on Solomon we'd be drafting either Bosa or QW now and wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Also Carl Lawson would be on this list, and sacks are not the be all and end all.

If the best player on our board happens to be an edge rusher, great. If they grade out similar then fine. If not just draft the best player available.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by daragon:
I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

Still don't believe it 100%. 50 days til draft, so much could happen. Believe it when my white 49ers #97 Bosa jersey arrives.

Need Murray to have a perfect pro day to keep the hype train in overdrive.
March 13 i believe.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Kyler Murray No. 1 https://t.co/ZYGhiLUpt5

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 5, 2019

Even the big name draft evaluators who base their mocks off what they hear are making it happen

Can't the Cardinals just release it officially so I can stop being stressed out

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by daragon:
I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

Don't tempt fate. Let's wait until it actually happens.

I'm the opposite of superstitious, and even this scares me

Originally posted by jonnydel:

The biggest question shouldn't be about whether or not Bosa is a fit here. That's obvious and if anyone says otherwise......I don't even know what to reply with.

The bigger question is, is Bosa a fit for ARI? I know he's probably a player that transcends scheme but with ARI playing a 3-4 and having Chandler Jones, are they really going to want either Bosa or Jones dropping into coverage?

I know it wouldn't be a lot, like Chubb or Miller, but it's still there.

If I were Shanny and ARI drafted Bosa I'd come out in 21 personnel and scheme Jerrick McKinnon in the flat vs Bosa about 9 times in a row and call it a game.

Bosa is a DE through and through. If ARI wants a outside guy, to me, Allen would be the better fit there.

Right it baffles my mind when someone says he's not a fit...if you don't like a prospect just say that, don't make stuff up.


Yup you could see Bosa in those coverage drills he's even stated he's a ideal scheme fit for SF. He's a hand in the dirt guy.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Leo is not a high impact position?! WTF are you talking about.

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

i'm scratching my head at this post to the point of rawness...the amount of wtf in that post is pretty incredible.

1. There is no more impactful position in the NFL outside of QB than pass rusher. Just look at the players that just got franchised tagged and how many of them are pass rushers. Check how many top pass rushers in the NFL are non first rounders. Out of the top 20 guys last year in sacks the only guys not drafted in the first round were

Chris Jones
Danielle Hunter
Frank Clark
Calais Campbell
Demarcus Lawerence
Jarran Reed

Out of all of thsoe guys only Danielle Hunter was a 3rd rounder and a bunch of those guys dropped in the draft due to off the field issues like Chris Jones and Frank Clark.

2. Solid group up front? Where do you think DE plays?

3. Michael Bennett didn't play Leo. The league is different now and as you can see from point 1 pass rushers are not easy to find later in the draft for a reason.

4. When you're picking high you need to invest in positions which are not easy to find later in the draft or frequently available in free agency.

100% thats Grant Cohn.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Leo is not a high impact position?! WTF are you talking about.

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

i'm scratching my head at this post to the point of rawness...the amount of wtf in that post is pretty incredible.

1. There is no more impactful position in the NFL outside of QB than pass rusher. Just look at the players that just got franchised tagged and how many of them are pass rushers. Check how many top pass rushers in the NFL are non first rounders. Out of the top 20 guys last year in sacks the only guys not drafted in the first round were

Chris Jones
Danielle Hunter
Frank Clark
Calais Campbell
Demarcus Lawerence
Jarran Reed

Out of all of thsoe guys only Danielle Hunter was a 3rd rounder and a bunch of those guys dropped in the draft due to off the field issues like Chris Jones and Frank Clark.

2. Solid group up front? Where do you think DE plays?

3. Michael Bennett didn't play Leo. The league is different now and as you can see from point 1 pass rushers are not easy to find later in the draft for a reason.

4. When you're picking high you need to invest in positions which are not easy to find later in the draft or frequently available in free agency.

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking, it's how you draft duds and miss on superstars.

As long as you haven't got a young, loaded and signed up position room every position bar FB, K and Punter is in play at every draft pick.

If you have players you evaluate that are close together, you use positional value and team need to separate them. Don't pass on elite for good.

If we hadn't have whiffed on Solomon we'd be drafting either Bosa or QW now and wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Also Carl Lawson would be on this list, and sacks are not the be all and end all.

If the best player on our board happens to be an edge rusher, great. If they grade out similar then fine. If not just draft the best player available.

More power to you but it doesn't change anything I posted.

Top tier pass rushers don't hit the FA market unless they're old, injured or not playing at a high enough level. If you're drafting top 3 in the NFL draft you better get a position which isn't easy to fill.

Safety is not that position.
TE is not that positon
OG is not that position
WR is not that position IMO
LB is not that position
C is not that position
RB is not that position

QB is that position
DE is that position
OT is that position
CB is that position but you better be damn sure you have that type of player

I get your point - you don't want to reach for impact positions if they're not BPA and I agree to an extent.

However this year we may very well have a perfect situation where the BPA on our board is legit the #1 player on our draft board AND the #1 need for this team. Quinnen Williams is the only dude who imo would be the highest grade but not a need for us at the top of the draft.

It's also why trading down if Bosa is there is really stupid and a dangerous move.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Leo is not a high impact position?! WTF are you talking about.

High impact in the sense of paying a high salary or investing significant draft capital. When you have a solid group up front, gamers in defensive backfield, you grab a 3rd-5th rounder or an undrafted Michael Bennett type to develop to play Leo. That position is icing on the cake and success there is a result of being stacked with talent.

Please just stop now. You do realize EVERY player that would instantly be an asset to this team for LEO as a free agent was just franchised right? You do know there is a reason for that? Beside QB it is THE most important position on any defense. Hence the reason the Franchise Tag amount for defensive end is 2nd only to QB.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I just don't subscribe to this way of thinking, it's how you draft duds and miss on superstars.

As long as you haven't got a young, loaded and signed up position room every position bar FB, K and Punter is in play at every draft pick.

If you have players you evaluate that are close together, you use positional value and team need to separate them. Don't pass on elite for good.

If we hadn't have whiffed on Solomon we'd be drafting either Bosa or QW now and wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Also Carl Lawson would be on this list, and sacks are not the be all and end all.

If the best player on our board happens to be an edge rusher, great. If they grade out similar then fine. If not just draft the best player available.

A portion of what he's saying (could be wrong) is that the edge position is THAT important hence why they are drafted high or even overdrafted. Same with tackle and even more true at the QB position.

Like Kyle stated today he wishes the draft was before FA so you could truly go BPA and whatever else you need you can take care of after in FA and really overspend. GMs and FOs will say go BPA but it's usally BPA at position of need especially rd 1.

Bosa's game reminds me of DLaw/Mack and with the motor of jared Allen

Get that s**t in SF. I don't even want to move down for OBJ...and I've been a huge fan of him since his draft. I trust kyle to get a good WR and make them better.

Originally posted by daragon:
I still can't believe we are going to get Nick Bosa! All year we stressed out, hoping the team would get a chance to draft him, and now we are going to add him to our team. Awesome!

I wouldn't say its a lock that we get nick bosa because anything can happen but the tea leaves suggest that we will get a chance to draft him . I say its at 70% that the cards take kyler and we take bosa .

Do you think that Bosa and Allen are better prospects than Chubb was last year?

bosa can be a good fit on any team not denying the potential, the same way Buckner Blair Armstead and s.thomas can be a good fit here, and were. That core will be even better this year, get ready for it.. had a decent defense last year -top 10 total d most of the year w/o getting any turnovers and 2nd and 3rd string qbs putting them in bad positions all year. The secondary and lb were the leaks and are a much bigger need than DL. Watch when safety, cb,and lb are upgraded -start taking the ball away, dline will pressure just fine-as a unit..

Just don't get too upset when bosa is there at 2 and we pass. I really think we trade back and get a mlb and/or cb day 1, find some talent on the edge day 2, not popular,just my opinion

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bosa's game reminds me of DLaw/Mack and with the motor of jared Allen

Get that s**t in SF. I don't even want to move down for OBJ...and I've been a huge fan of him since his draft. I trust kyle to get a good WR and make them better.

I agree with you . You cant pass on a great pass rusher like nick bosa that could be on your team for 10 years that has the talent to play at a all-pro level . I love OBJ but you cant pick a great wr over a great pass rusher .