Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by firehunter33:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
So Kawakami thinks it's better to trade for OBJ and NOT draft Bosa?

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree, we need a goddam pass rush.

OBJ the 6th pick of the draft... an no? Really? A good pass rusher can be had at 6 while securing an outstanding WR

In an ideal world I'd like both

wouldn't hate it....BUT I feel like Kyle can manufacture really good WR play as long as we have a capable QB. They need true game changing talent at edge. Bosa and getting a guy like Deebo or AJ brown would be pretty sexy to me.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I actually agree with Kawakami for once! If the Niners can get OBJ and still draft a player at 6, it's a no brainer imo.

Only the trade he is advocating is that the 49ers give up Picks 2, 36 and a future pick for Pick 6 and OBJ. So the 49ers give up Bosa, their early 2nd rounder and more picks for Pick 6 where the top edge rusher prospects might all be gone and a troubled asset, if he wasn't a troubled asset, the Giants wouldn't be looking to trade him.

Moving up from 6 to 2 alone would cost the Giants a 1st and 2nd.

Yeah no way in hell i'm throwing in anything outside of Arik Armstead in that trade. That #36 is a key pick. We should be able to get a pretty good WR or OL prospect there.

Give me Nick Bosa, Chris Lindstrom and Andy Isabella/Riley Ridley day 1 & 2 and I'm good.

This is my hope and dream. If we could land Bosa, Lindstrom, and Isabella we would have gotten my favorite players at the 3 positions I think we need the most.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

I think the problem is, Nick Bosa reminds me of Soloman Thomas.

I think Bosa has alot of Soloman Thomas/ Justin Smith too him as well, if Chubb can fall so can BOSA

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by genus49:
Different era nice try. And as GOAT as Jerry is, we won those SBs for other reasons. Oh and he has 3 wins...

They also won most of their SBs before the salary cap became an issue. Jerry won 2 of his rings before they even introduced it.

What do you mean we won jerrys superbowls for other reasons?

chargers, broncos bengals were off the charts performances of all time for a receiver.

Come on man. Apologize immediately to jerry for that remark. Come on.

You know what I mean. We had a HOF QB in each SB win, dominant defenses to back him up. Nobody is taking anything away from Jerry but just shooting down the silly and just wrong analogy.

One reason we have hof qbs is because they were throwing to Jerry. We never had a dominat d against bengals. I would post the steve at**ter gif but can't find it right now. Come on.

So we were a top 10 during the season but in the SB they weren't? Are you legit trying to say we won those SBs just because of Rice? Otherwise i'm not sure what your point is.

Wanna point to me when Jerry ever got $20 mil per season?

Sir the #8 defense in the league in points against is very good but not elite and not dominant. Right? I think part of the reason the defense stats are so good is because our wco was so dominant.

Absolutely, Jerry's performance is a BIG reason we won that super bowl, and the other 2 he was a part of.

He set an all time playoff receiving record in the bengals super bowl. Are you on drugs?

Of course he knocked it out of the park at crunch time. that's why he's Jerry. come on.

What does your $20M comment mean, in 1988? I don't get it.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think the problem is, Nick Bosa reminds me of Soloman Thomas.

I think the problem is, you have watched no tape.

Just looking at highlights, you can tell Bosa has a power and explosion that thomas has not shown yet anywhere in his pro or college career.

And, if you look at snap by snap tape, you see thomas not really standing out on many plays.

I think for Bosa, it's easy to spot who he is on the field even if he's beat or out of the play.

So, this is not an analogy I agree with.

You can basically say this is a done deal with Murray likely to go to arizona now.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
One reason we have hof qbs is because they were throwing to Jerry. We never had a dominat d against bengals. I would post the steve at**ter gif but can't find it right now. Come on.

They had 2 SB wins before Rice even showed up. He was more of a finishing piece than a building block. Walsh acquired his QB and built his defense. Over 5 years later he drafted Rice.

Yes. So? Don't get your point. Walsh extended the wco playbook for jerry and kept the good thing going for another 5 years. Walsh and montana are goats and jerry is a goat thereby resulting in 5 supoerbowls. What's your point? I don't get it. Don't make jerry sound incidental. That';s crazy talk.

Dude nobody is making Jerry sound incidental. He's easily the greatest WR to ever play the game. The point was made in the current state of the NFL and OBJ and Rice should never be mentioned in the same breath.

If OBJ had the passion and mental toughness of Rice I'd trade for him straight up. He is NOT Jerry Rice.

Correct.

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
You can basically say this is a done deal with Murray likely to go to arizona now.

Even if it isn't AZ, someone will trade up for him at #1, so it's lookin' good for us right now

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Josh Allen was supposed to flat out be more athlete/explosive than Nick Bosa but in 3 big test that measure those things for edge rushers (10 yard split, 3 cone and shuttle) Bosa was better in all 3.. but that's none of my business 🐸 ☕️ https://t.co/qqvGBNH1tG

— CrockTIME (@eric_crocker) March 4, 2019

so where's the narrative that Allen has more potential because of his athleticism

How about the scenario he was really only coached this season

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't think you have to spend a #2 overall pick on someone for their versatility if the other guy is the better prospect at the position you're actually looking for.

Draft Bosa and sign Anthony Barr and you basically have both...

Signing Allen is cheaper. Why not draft Bosa and Allen? We probably could do it.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Any chance he's overrated or injury prone?

Yes and yes

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I think the problem is, Nick Bosa reminds me of Soloman Thomas.

I think the problem is, you have watched no tape.

Just looking at highlights, you can tell Bosa has a power and explosion that thomas has not shown yet anywhere in his pro or college career.

And, if you look at snap by snap tape, you see thomas not really standing out on many plays.

I think for Bosa, it's easy to spot who he is on the field even if he's beat or out of the play.

So, this is not an analogy I agree with.

Bosa is definitely best player in the draft. Thomas was a reach at 3.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by firehunter33:
OBJ + the 6th pick of the draft... an no? Really? A good pass rusher can be had at 6 while securing an outstanding WR

This. If Bosa was a generational talent the. I'd give pause. But he isn't. He's just arguably the best edge of this draft.

What defines a generational talent? Doing well in the combine? Come on.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Costanza:

I actually agree with Kawakami for once! If the Niners can get OBJ and still draft a player at 6, it's a no brainer imo.

Only the trade he is advocating is that the 49ers give up Picks 2, 36 and a future pick for Pick 6 and OBJ. So the 49ers give up Bosa, their early 2nd rounder and more picks for Pick 6 where the top edge rusher prospects might all be gone and a troubled asset, if he wasn't a troubled asset, the Giants wouldn't be looking to trade him.

Moving up from 6 to 2 alone would cost the Giants a 1st and 2nd.

OBJ doesn't fill a glaring hole on our roster, Bosa does. Also OBJ would be considerably more expensive than Bosa, who would be on a rookie deal.

Yes he does. As of right now both Pettis, and Goodwin are 2's at best