Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by firehunter33:
The limited tape looks great... But it is limited and plenty of game loss due to injury.

29 games is not limited tape.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I'm not buying all the Cards is drafting Murray hype. As far as I'm concerned they're still taking Bosa #1.

Bosa to them doesn't even make sense. He'd make a very poor 3-4 OLB and he'd be a waste as a 3-4 DE. If anything they'd be better off taking Allen or Williams, both great players who fit their defense much more than Nick. I'm pretty confident Nick will be there for us at #2 but I'd like them to trade Rosen or trade down before the draft so I don't have to wait out the clock to know for sure.

The only way I see AZ taking Bosa is if this Murray hype is just an attempt to get a kings ransom for the pick, and if nobody bites theyll just take Bosa.

Originally posted by firehunter33:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by firehunter33:
Why is there so much hype for this guy. Thus far he seems to be just like his brother. Can't stay healthy. Could be an amazing pass rusher if he stays healthy. However, is his body of work worthy of the 2nd overall pick? What am I missing?

The tape?

The limited tape looks great... But it is limited and plenty of game loss due to injury.

So if what he's shown looks great...then what's the concern?

And you say he can't stay healthy. He had a knee injury in HS...and injury he clearly is healed from and shows no signs of concern about. And then the hernia or whatever he had which is clearly fully healthy as well.

Those injuries are not "injury prone" type of injuries. Myles Garrett had ankle injuries. Those are more concerning than super unlucky and random injuries like a knee or hernia.

Anyone can suddenly plant their foot the wrong way while being tackled and it's bye bye season. You can't be afraid to draft players because of that. I know everyone has flashbacks to Baalke and his ACL picks but it's a totally different story.

Bosa is fully healed from both injuries and we have seen what he can do when healthy. This isn't Tank Carradine coming off an ACL where you can't even work him out properly and have to stash him on the IR list or Marcus Lattimore, Brandon Thomas...etc

He is a terrific combo of strength, athletic ability and technique. Take him, plug him into our DL and let's do this.

Originally posted by Costanza:
I actually agree with Kawakami for once! If the Niners can get OBJ and still draft a player at 6, it's a no brainer imo.

Only the trade he is advocating is that the 49ers give up Picks 2, 36 and a future pick for Pick 6 and OBJ. So the 49ers give up Bosa, their early 2nd rounder and more picks for Pick 6 where the top edge rusher prospects might all be gone and a troubled asset, if he wasn't a troubled asset, the Giants wouldn't be looking to trade him.

Moving up from 6 to 2 alone would cost the Giants a 1st and 2nd.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I'm not buying all the Cards is drafting Murray hype. As far as I'm concerned they're still taking Bosa #1.

Bosa to them doesn't even make sense. He'd make a very poor 3-4 OLB and he'd be a waste as a 3-4 DE. If anything they'd be better off taking Allen or Williams, both great players who fit their defense much more than Nick. I'm pretty confident Nick will be there for us at #2 but I'd like them to trade Rosen or trade down before the draft so I don't have to wait out the clock to know for sure.

The only way I see AZ taking Bosa is if this Murray hype is just an attempt to get a kings ransom for the pick, and if nobody bites theyll just take Bosa.

Still doesn't make sense. If they take him it would be more out of spite for us I feel like. You're taking a great player whose ability is lessened by your scheme. It would be like taking Tom Brady then putting him in an option based offense.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I'm not buying all the Cards is drafting Murray hype. As far as I'm concerned they're still taking Bosa #1.

Bosa to them doesn't even make sense. He'd make a very poor 3-4 OLB and he'd be a waste as a 3-4 DE. If anything they'd be better off taking Allen or Williams, both great players who fit their defense much more than Nick. I'm pretty confident Nick will be there for us at #2 but I'd like them to trade Rosen or trade down before the draft so I don't have to wait out the clock to know for sure.

Fine then, give them GWill or Allen, but they're not taking Murray.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I actually agree with Kawakami for once! If the Niners can get OBJ and still draft a player at 6, it's a no brainer imo.

Only the trade he is advocating is that the 49ers give up Picks 2, 36 and a future pick for Pick 6 and OBJ. So the 49ers give up Bosa, their early 2nd rounder and more picks for Pick 6 where the top edge rusher prospects might all be gone and a troubled asset, if he wasn't a troubled asset, the Giants wouldn't be looking to trade him.

Moving up from 6 to 2 alone would cost the Giants a 1st and 2nd.

Yeah no way in hell i'm throwing in anything outside of Arik Armstead in that trade. That #36 is a key pick. We should be able to get a pretty good WR or OL prospect there.

Give me Nick Bosa, Chris Lindstrom and Andy Isabella/Riley Ridley day 1 & 2 and I'm good.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I'm not buying all the Cards is drafting Murray hype. As far as I'm concerned they're still taking Bosa #1.

Bosa to them doesn't even make sense. He'd make a very poor 3-4 OLB and he'd be a waste as a 3-4 DE. If anything they'd be better off taking Allen or Williams, both great players who fit their defense much more than Nick. I'm pretty confident Nick will be there for us at #2 but I'd like them to trade Rosen or trade down before the draft so I don't have to wait out the clock to know for sure.

The only way I see AZ taking Bosa is if this Murray hype is just an attempt to get a kings ransom for the pick, and if nobody bites theyll just take Bosa.

Still doesn't make sense. If they take him it would be more out of spite for us I feel like. You're taking a great player whose ability is lessened by your scheme. It would be like taking Tom Brady then putting him in an option based offense.

Sometimes teams are very strict about taking best available regardless of other factors.

Originally posted by genus49:

Still doesn't make sense. If they take him it would be more out of spite for us I feel like. You're taking a great player whose ability is lessened by your scheme. It would be like taking Tom Brady then putting him in an option based offense.

Not really. As of week 16 Chubb went into coverage 71 times last year for Joseph. So 5 times a game. It's not 03 anymore where 4-3 ends and 3-4 lb's have different roles. 70% of the game is in the nickel subpackage. I think they go Murray but if they do keep Rosen it's Bosa all the way.

Originally posted by genus49:

That is true...where we disagree is the fact that OBJ is an all time great receiver or that Bosa is just a good pass rusher.

Not all teams are the same. We have a CLEAR issue at edge rushers. We need a guy who can dominate from the outside and force other QBs to get rid of the ball quick. We have a pretty good interior heavy DL. Getting an edge is key to making this defense take a huge step forward, which in turn will help the rest of the defensive players and the team overall.

Does OBJ make us more dangerous on offense? Of course. But what does his contract do to the team? Bosa makes us a much better defense and can play week 1. But we're still a team with needs. Paying a WR $20 mil is crazy and while we have cap space it will disappear awfully quick with OBJ's contract on the books.

Meh, I'm not seeing it. When I watch Bosa's tape, I see a guy selected after Garrett or Clowney if he is in their draft. I do think he is the best edge prospect in this draft, but not by much.

As for OBJ, you can see how good he is EITHER by watching tape or lookkng at numbers. If he keeps this pace for ten years he will garber HoF consideration.


Where I think you make a strong point is cap space, but I then remember one thing: that space is going to be filled at some point anyway. We have spent five years not spending, and it's been five years of losing. We have our quarterback. Now IS the time to spend.

Originally posted by firehunter33:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
So Kawakami thinks it's better to trade for OBJ and NOT draft Bosa?

I'm gonna have to strongly disagree, we need a goddam pass rush.

OBJ + the 6th pick of the draft... an no? Really? A good pass rusher can be had at 6 while securing an outstanding WR

In an ideal world I'd like both

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Costanza:
I actually agree with Kawakami for once! If the Niners can get OBJ and still draft a player at 6, it's a no brainer imo.

Only the trade he is advocating is that the 49ers give up Picks 2, 36 and a future pick for Pick 6 and OBJ. So the 49ers give up Bosa, their early 2nd rounder and more picks for Pick 6 where the top edge rusher prospects might all be gone and a troubled asset, if he wasn't a troubled asset, the Giants wouldn't be looking to trade him.

Moving up from 6 to 2 alone would cost the Giants a 1st and 2nd.

OBJ doesn't fill a glaring hole on our roster, Bosa does. Also OBJ would be considerably more expensive than Bosa, who would be on a rookie deal.

This OBJ chatter could be genius if it's a smokescreen by SF. There's a very real possibility the Cardinals not wanting us to land Bosa impacts their decision to some extent (they go Bosa if don't get a ransom or trade the pick to a team likely to take Bosa). It could be a power move of Lynch saying, "be my guest, take Bosa, we'll get OBJ".

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
This OBJ chatter could be genius if it's a smokescreen by SF. There's a very real possibility the Cardinals not wanting us to land Bosa impacts their decision to some extent (they go Bosa if don't get a ransom or trade the pick to a team likely to take Bosa). It could be a power move of Lynch saying, "be my guest, take Bosa, we'll get OBJ".

The Cards are in even more trouble than we thought if they are making selections based on who might fall to other teams.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

This OBJ chatter could be genius if it's a smokescreen by SF. There's a very real possibility the Cardinals not wanting us to land Bosa impacts their decision to some extent (they go Bosa if don't get a ransom or trade the pick to a team likely to take Bosa). It could be a power move of Lynch saying, "be my guest, take Bosa, we'll get OBJ".

The Cards are in even more trouble than we thought if they are making selections based on who might fall to other teams.

I agree they better be making decisions based on what's best for there team. We are going to get a great player regardless of who we pick.