The Wonderlic

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Sunshine Gabbert scored 42, Dan Marino scored 16
It doesn't seem to translate to on field success or failure at all.

Using extremes to make a point?

http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

Bradshaw scored a 13, Fitzpatrick and George McElroy are the highest scoring QBs of all time.

Is there any evidence that points to the Wonderlic accurately predicting success? I don't see it.

Maybe look at the QB's actually playing today and see where the successful ones are scoring on avg.

Well the lowest at 20 is Watson. Out of starters I think. He came in and tore defenses apart. He also tore it up in college against some pretty good defenses.

Lets look at combine scores for the successful veteran QB's playing today

Probowl QB's this year

Brady 33
Roethlisberger 25
Wentz 40
Brees 28
Wilson 28
Phillips 30
Brady 33
Goff 36
Carr 24
A.Smith 40

Superbowl QB's
Brady 33
Foles 29

All-Pro's
Brady 33
Wentz 40

MVP QB's last 10 years

Manning 28
Rodgers 35
Newton 21
Brady 33
M.Ryan 32

Future HOFer Jimmy G 29

Last successful QBs to score under 20
Vince Young 6 first time and 15 on a retake last good season 2009
Daunte Culpepper 18 last good season 2004
Donovan McNabb 14 last good season 2009

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Can anyone find a stat of 20 & below QBs becoming successful?

Can any of them run a 4.3?

It doesn't matter, as long as he's willing to put in the work he'll learn an offense.

Josh Allen can remember every snap, will just make him stay up at night thinking about how he missed so many!

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Sunshine Gabbert scored 42, Dan Marino scored 16
It doesn't seem to translate to on field success or failure at all.

Using extremes to make a point?

http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

Bradshaw scored a 13, Fitzpatrick and George McElroy are the highest scoring QBs of all time.

Is there any evidence that points to the Wonderlic accurately predicting success? I don't see it.

Maybe look at the QB's actually playing today and see where the successful ones are scoring on avg.

Well the lowest at 20 is Watson. Out of starters I think. He came in and tore defenses apart. He also tore it up in college against some pretty good defenses.

Lets look at combine scores for the successful veteran QB's playing today

Probowl QB's this year

Brady 33
Roethlisberger 25
Wentz 40
Brees 28
Wilson 28
Phillips 30
Brady 33
Goff 36
Carr 24
A.Smith 40

Superbowl QB's
Brady 33
Foles 29

All-Pro's
Brady 33
Wentz 40

MVP QB's last 10 years

Manning 28
Rodgers 35
Newton 21
Brady 33
M.Ryan 32

Future HOFer Jimmy G 29

Last successful QBs to score under 20
Vince Young 6 first time and 15 on a retake last good season 2009
Daunte Culpepper 18 last good season 2004
Donovan McNabb 14 last good season 2009

Looks to be all over the map.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Looks to be all over the map.

Or it looks like if you have a low score better be able to run

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Sunshine Gabbert scored 42, Dan Marino scored 16
It doesn't seem to translate to on field success or failure at all.

Using extremes to make a point?

http://wonderlictestsample.com/nfl-wonderlic-scores/

Bradshaw scored a 13, Fitzpatrick and George McElroy are the highest scoring QBs of all time.

Is there any evidence that points to the Wonderlic accurately predicting success? I don't see it.

Maybe look at the QB's actually playing today and see where the successful ones are scoring on avg.

Well the lowest at 20 is Watson. Out of starters I think. He came in and tore defenses apart. He also tore it up in college against some pretty good defenses.

Lets look at combine scores for the successful veteran QB's playing today

Probowl QB's this year

Brady 33
Roethlisberger 25
Wentz 40
Brees 28
Wilson 28
Phillips 30
Brady 33
Goff 36
Carr 24
A.Smith 40

Superbowl QB's
Brady 33
Foles 29

All-Pro's
Brady 33
Wentz 40

MVP QB's last 10 years

Manning 28
Rodgers 35
Newton 21
Brady 33
M.Ryan 32

Future HOFer Jimmy G 29

Last successful QBs to score under 20
Vince Young 6 first time and 15 on a retake last good season 2009
Daunte Culpepper 18 last good season 2004
Donovan McNabb 14 last good season 2009

Looks to be all over the map.

Or that most of the successful QB's in the league at-least score a 20 while the avg of 25 still holds true as a desired number.

Didn't Gore score a 6? I love Frank Gore.

Certainly the linguistic parts of the Wonderlic have nothing to do with cognitive ability--they're culturally specific and would be a good measure of someone's experience and recall with lexical items circulated within the test-writer's speech community. I'd use those kind of questions if I wanted to measure home language, SES, and ethnic enculturation, not to measure cognitive ability (especially football related cognitive ability).

I know football smart people like Belichick typically quiz players on their situational rationales--why did you/would you make a given choice given this look/front and situation?

Originally posted by jcs:

Or that most of the successful QB's in the league at-least score a 20 while the avg of 25 still holes true as a desired number.

That makes sense but 25 is a long way from 40 (or Kap's 38)
I wonder how the average of the top 15 qbs compare to the average of the rest of NFL QBs.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Can anyone find a stat of 20 & below QBs becoming successful?

Can any of them run a 4.3?

It doesn't matter, as long as he's willing to put in the work he'll learn an offense.

Josh Allen can remember every snap, will just make him stay up at night thinking about how he missed so many!

Hey I'm rooting for Lamar. Just not as high on him as others. My 6th QB, by a pretty big margin

But if he develops he could be crazy good

Originally posted by gold49digger:

bradshaw is a hof and he is dumb as rocks.

That's a good fact. Right on

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Looks to be all over the map.

Or it looks like if you have a low score better be able to run

Or throw darts in traffic on mnf