The Marcus Davenport Hype Train Is Leaving the Station

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:

Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:

Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Well we might be in the position to say f**k it and trade a future 2nd and a player to move up.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Nope...don't trust him at all with an early pick. Late 2nd he'd be worth the gamble.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:
Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Well we might be in the position to say f**k it and trade a future 2nd and a player to move up.

I cant think of any player the Niners would be willing to give up who could get them from the late 2nd to the first. I believe that only Jimmy G, Buckner, Thomas, Foster, Witherspoon, and Brown have that kind of value and the Niners wont move any of them.

While i love Armstead, he's so slow and can't play LEO. We need to trade him and try to move up.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:

Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Dream scenario would be to package AA with the NO pick to move up.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:

Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Dream scenario would be to package AA with the NO pick to move up.

AA is worth almost nothing in a trade (probably a 5th or 6th round pick). He'll be in his 4th year on his rookie deal and it looks like there's no chance anyone will excercise his 5th year option at this point so you're paying for a 1 year rental of an unproven DL who is injury prone and can't start for the 49ers. We may be able to move up 2-3 picks for giving up Armstead which would still leave us far away form being able to draft Davenport it looks like. If Key, Landry, or Davenport fall to the late first, I'd be interested in trading up, but it would likely cost a lot (our 2nd plus a 3rd and 4th round pick or a future draft pick).

I'd be happy if we came away with Nelson and one of the top 4 edge rushers and still had an early 3rd round pick left over. The extra early 3rd round pick gives us room to maneuver.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Agree. I also like that when you watch tape and know what this player did vs that player(assuming it was impressive or good sign) , you can go back after the combine to see what kind of athlete "your guy" was beating.

For example if Davenport was dominating some slower,weaker,guys that will be working for ups in a year then it has to be considered heavily.

Say if a LT was doing a great job vs speed rushers with a 4.5/4.6/4.7+ 40 then you know youre able to give further credit. Hope that makes sense. Just something else to factor in.

The 40 time of any position outside of CB, WR, is way overrated, no other position ever runs in that far in a straight line (Go route and defending it) all other positions you need to look at tape or watch them in person to see how fast they actually are.

The agility drills show you a lot in certain positions, the time doesn't matter (they can slip) but do they look fluid and comfortable.

The Bench Press has very little to do with strength, after about 15 reps the most important attribute is stamina.

The jumps do indicate explosion, but the most important thing is to get a look at the guys up close, have they been working and how comfortable are they.

The combine has a place but it is way overhyped, as others have said the smart teams compare it to film. I say the smartest team see's through it and just use it to have a look up close.

Still remember hearing someone think it was Bill Walsh's son say that Bill ignored Jerry's 40, but saw someone run between 10-30 yards as fast as anyone he'd seen before and saw elite acceleration that would translate onto the field

20 yard SS,3 cones and 10 yard splits are good.

This. DL drills are good, too. Some guys really aren't coached to bend the edge in college, so you won't see it on film, but you could see how they might develop after prepping for the combine drills for a couple months.

No offense, but this thread is really 7 pages?

WR (Robinson?), C (Jensen/Linsely?), & CB (Johnson/Fuller?) in FA.

Davenport at 11ish
Braden Smith w/NO's 2nd.

Originally posted by FL9er:

No offense, but this thread is really 7 pages?

Yes, for now.

Originally posted by FL9er:

No offense, but this thread is really 7 pages?

What about the words "hype train" don't you get? There ain't no brakes.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What about the words "hype train" don't you get? There ain't no brakes.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by genus49:

Chubb, Landry, Ferrell or Davenport in the first would be great. I'm not touching Key until the 2nd round. I don't trust that guy at all.

Unfortunate for us it seems like if we want to address Leo we need to do it with our first rounder. There are some other guys available later but nobody on the level of those guys. Hopefully we find the right guy to take our D to that next level.

If key is there in late 1st do you do it? As far as trading up again?

Probably cost too much having the saints 2nd round pick to trade up late in the first. Damn why did we have to trade our 2nd round for Jimmy G. Lol I kid I kid

Dream scenario would be to package AA with the NO pick to move up.

AA is worth almost nothing in a trade (probably a 5th or 6th round pick). He'll be in his 4th year on his rookie deal and it looks like there's no chance anyone will excercise his 5th year option at this point so you're paying for a 1 year rental of an unproven DL who is injury prone and can't start for the 49ers. We may be able to move up 2-3 picks for giving up Armstead which would still leave us far away form being able to draft Davenport it looks like. If Key, Landry, or Davenport fall to the late first, I'd be interested in trading up, but it would likely cost a lot (our 2nd plus a 3rd and 4th round pick or a future draft pick).

I'd be happy if we came away with Nelson and one of the top 4 edge rushers and still had an early 3rd round pick left over. The extra early 3rd round pick gives us room to maneuver.

He doesn't start for us because we have at least 2 players who can do what he does and do it better. Other teams don't have that specific depth on their lines. I guarantee there are teams who 1. See great potential and 2. Would love to have him. Although what they would be willing to give up is speculation. If they see a starter they could resign under market value who fits a need, AA, the 2nd, plus the extra 3rd or a future 2/3 could be enough to get us in the 20's. That team would probably need to lose out on their top guy/guys to make the trade though.

Side note: Top pass rushers in this class either don't project as elite or have a major weakness. My opinion, better to rent a top flight rusher for 2-3 years and try to develop a lesser prospect/ take future top prospect. Won't be drafting in the teens again in all likelyhood. So now is the time to get an elite prospect.

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:

He doesn't start for us because we have at least 2 players who can do what he does and do it better. Other teams don't have that specific depth on their lines. I guarantee there are teams who 1. See great potential and 2. Would love to have him. Although what they would be willing to give up is speculation. If they see a starter they could resign under market value who fits a need, AA, the 2nd, plus the extra 3rd or a future 2/3 could be enough to get us in the 20's. That team would probably need to lose out on their top guy/guys to make the trade though.

Side note: Top pass rushers in this class either don't project as elite or have a major weakness. My opinion, better to rent a top flight rusher for 2-3 years and try to develop a lesser prospect/ take future top prospect. Won't be drafting in the teens again in all likelyhood. So now is the time to get an elite prospect.

Will top flight pass rushers be available to rent though? Look at the fa class after Lawrence and Ansah get tagged.