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Josh Allen OLB/ILB/DE Kentucky

  • mayo49
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by S41MAN:
Agreed. I would be more willing to overlook his dissapointing combine if the guy had great power or a great bull rush, but he doesn't. I will say though he does have a solid wingspan so arm length doesn't paint the whole picture.

IMO, wingspan only matters if you know how to rotate your torso on contact to create length from your shoulders, like Mack or Miller do in the NFL. Allen has not shown that at all.

Still would love to work with him and see how much he can improve with good coaching.
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Originally posted by KamLeon:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Trade down and Allen back on the table

I like this option.

I would be happy with this move
If we get Bosa, I hope he goes someplace where I can root for him.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
It's not like an OLB's coverage responsibilities are difficult, lol. Covering the flat 90% of the time is easy as hell. Bosa could do it well enough (not as well as Allen, who is primarily a space athlete), but Burns showed all the tools to excel (and likely outperform Allen) in that role when he flew through the LB drills like a DB at the combine. Regardless, if you are drafting an edge in the top ten, you want the best edge rusher, not the best flat defender. Bosa is the best edge rusher. Burns has the most potential, the best bend, the 2nd best technique, and he is the best athlete (in games) of the group. You go with the guy who is ready to dominate now (Bosa), or you trade back to get the guy who is ready to contribute now, but who could be the best of the class in three years (Burns). I don't understand why Allen is even discussed as a top 5 pick, to be honest. He got a lot of sacks by running around lesser athletes. He got shut out when he went against good OTs (Taylor in Florida and both those beasts in Georgia).

Also, maybe Allen's basketball background is a plus in coverage, but his lateral movement is somewhat average. So, not sure his coverage tool is elite. Burns probably has more potential there. IMO Allen's tape and measurements box him in as a very good OLB, but with some chance to become a versatile tool.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
IMO, wingspan only matters if you know how to rotate your torso on contact to create length from your shoulders, like Mack or Miller do in the NFL. Allen has not shown that at all.

Maybe his hand contact will throw off OTs.
[ Edited by zonkers on Apr 22, 2019 at 5:40 PM ]
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Still would love to work with him and see how much he can improve with good coaching.


Good coaching? We're talking about the San Francisco 49ers, mayo.
Originally posted by zonkers:
Also, maybe Allen's basketball background is a plus in coverage, but his lateral movement is somewhat average. So, not sure his coverage tool is elite. Burns probably has more potential there. IMO Allen's tape and measurements box him in as a very good OLB, but with some chance to become a versatile tool.


Maybe his hand contact will throw off OTs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by zonkers:
Also, maybe Allen's basketball background is a plus in coverage, but his lateral movement is somewhat average. So, not sure his coverage tool is elite. Burns probably has more potential there. IMO Allen's tape and measurements box him in as a very good OLB, but with some chance to become a versatile tool.


Maybe his hand contact will throw off OTs.


Originally posted by zonkers:

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Josh Allen will be like khalil Mack and von Miller. Nick Bosa and quinien Williams are lineman. We need violence in our defense.
Alabama players never do good. Nick Bosa who is better has injury issues. Josh Allen is a polished prospect. If Nick Bosa is first pick I would take josh Allen in a heartbeat or trade back for a haul
Originally posted by Samerson449:
Josh Allen will be like khalil Mack and von Miller. Nick Bosa and quinien Williams are lineman. We need violence in our defense.

If you think Bosa and Q aren't violence and Allen is..then I question what the heck you've been watching
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Samerson449:
Josh Allen will be like khalil Mack and von Miller. Nick Bosa and quinien Williams are lineman. We need violence in our defense.

If you think Bosa and Q aren't violence and Allen is..then I question what the heck you've been watching

I was going to say the same thing... Bosa and Williams finish with force. Bosa especially comes with bad intentions... Allen may be most most athletic (although you could argue Williams), but he's more of an all-around player, not a devastating force like the other two...
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Still would love to work with him and see how much he can improve with good coaching.


Good coaching? We're talking about the San Francisco 49ers, mayo.

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