Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina State

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Welp i guess Trumaines been up and down.. So he might need to go the Alshon route. I honestly wouldnt mind if we traded down and grabbed a CB in the 2nd that can be a push starter day one. Im very happy with what im seeing from Ahkello.

I think Fuller/Breeland will be the better "value" choices.

I agree 100 percent on fuller/breeland. I really like fuller after watching him play us. Rather not break the bank on a guy like Johnson.

no way chi let's fuller get away

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

no way chi let's fuller get away

Why didn't they pick up his fifth year then? They could still extend him cuz he had a Good year but that says a lot.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

no way chi let's fuller get away

Why didn't they pick up his fifth year then? They could still extend him cuz he had a Good year but that says a lot.

The 5th year option would have cost 8.5 million. They may want to keep him but he isn't worth that much per year at this point. 5th year option is only valuable if a player is one of the better players at his position. Aaron Donald is a steal for $6.9 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2017/05/02/fifth-year-option-tracker

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

no way chi let's fuller get away

Why didn't they pick up his fifth year then? They could still extend him cuz he had a Good year but that says a lot.

The 5th year option would have cost 8.5 million. They may want to keep him but he isn't worth that much per year at this point. 5th year option is only valuable if a player is one of the better players at his position. Aaron Donald is a steal for $6.9 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2017/05/02/fifth-year-option-tracker

8.5 is a steal for a good CB. Especially if it's a guy you think they wouldn't let leave.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

no way chi let's fuller get away

Why didn't they pick up his fifth year then? They could still extend him cuz he had a Good year but that says a lot.

The 5th year option would have cost 8.5 million. They may want to keep him but he isn't worth that much per year at this point. 5th year option is only valuable if a player is one of the better players at his position. Aaron Donald is a steal for $6.9 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2017/05/02/fifth-year-option-tracker

8.5 is a steal for a good CB. Especially if it's a guy you think they wouldn't let leave.

Oops, I forgot they declined his option in the spring of 2017 before the season. At the time, that made a lot of sense because you don't want to commit to paying a guy $8.5 million who just missed an entire season and wasn't that good before he was injured. He's played pretty well this year and has been healthy, so they may be willing to pay him $8.5 million now. I don't think they'd want to tag him to keep him so he could be available if we overpay him.

This team's record is too good to have a chance at Chubb Rock.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:
This team's record is too good to have a chance at Chubb Rock.

Agreed.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

This team's record is too good to have a chance at Chubb Rock.

Agreed.

Ya, we kind do won ourselves out of drafting him...

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:
no way chi let's fuller get away

Why didn't they pick up his fifth year then? They could still extend him cuz he had a Good year but that says a lot.

The 5th year option would have cost 8.5 million. They may want to keep him but he isn't worth that much per year at this point. 5th year option is only valuable if a player is one of the better players at his position. Aaron Donald is a steal for $6.9 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2017/05/02/fifth-year-option-tracker

8.5 is a steal for a good CB. Especially if it's a guy you think they wouldn't let leave.

Oops, I forgot they declined his option in the spring of 2017 before the season. At the time, that made a lot of sense because you don't want to commit to paying a guy $8.5 million who just missed an entire season and wasn't that good before he was injured. He's played pretty well this year and has been healthy, so they may be willing to pay him $8.5 million now. I don't think they'd want to tag him to keep him so he could be available if we overpay him.

he played real well this year, I hope they do let him get away but I just don't see it. Hope I'm wrong

Bradley Chubb

NC State Vs. South Carolina

Good to great burst off the line. If he wins edge, typically able to turn the corner.

Great awareness in run stopping, allows him to set up the lineman because he knows where he wants to go/needs to be. Combined with burst he gets in the backfield in a hurry. This leads me to believe he can be able to do this in the pass rush when he gets a better understanding of pass blocking concepts and techniques. The thing with the great pass rushers though is it always seems they have 3 traits in common, Instincts, Relentless Drive, and Technique. I don't see it yet.
If he doesn't get his hands on the lineman first, he can get washed out of the play. Doesn't consistently show the ability to disengage.
Seems to try and always win with the speed rush, then fake with the first step and cut back in with a bull rush, once the tackle starts to adjust.
I don't see violent or active hands when engaging/disengaging.
Shows good understanding and discipline when setting tasked with setting the edge, although he is far to willing to just sit there and allow the runner to cut under the lineman. This usually takes him out of the play and allows the runner to dictate his path instead of forcing the cut sooner. I may not describe this adequetly enough, but there is a tentiveness where there needs to be aggression, when it comes to setting the edge, like he knows they are going to focus on him and run away so he just does his assignment and is going to let a teammate make the play. This has led to a few big runs when a little more assertiveness would have allowed him to make the tackle.
Teams are willing to put there RB/TE 1v1 with Chubb on passing plays, although these are usually quick design plays there are a few that need time to develop.

No sacks in the game.

Missed tackle after splitting double team (back ran through him) led to touchdown, could have been the difference in the game. Unfair assessment really I know, but if he makes it the reverse is said, (that touchdown saving tackle was the difference in the game). It happens to everyone so it isn't a knock just an observation.
Only 1 game in. Good run awareness and consistent effort, but I dont see Pro Bowl or All Pro potential. They did move the pocket and other things but he had opportunities in 1v1 on a few plays that needed time to develop, and he was either stonewalled or washed out/around. In fact they would drop there left tackle down to combo block with the guard and leave the RB to block Chubb. He got his hands up a couple times when he didn't get there, but there was an occasion where I thought he might have been able to intercept the ball. He ran a stunt and stepped right into the passing lane, there was no way he was getting to the qb but he tried anyway, pass goes over his head for a completion. No way to know the outcome had he tried but the throw and completion would have been far more difficult to make for the qb and wr had he gotten his hands up and jumped. That isn't something he would be expected to do I would just like to see the awareness. It could also be easily pointed out and coached up if it was important so just nitpicking there really.

2016 vs Lousiville

Barely shows up until a nifty spin smove splits the tackle and guard for a sack on Lamar Jackson mid way into the 3rd quarter. Follows that up by not registering the screen and almost gives back what he took. I counted 3 hurries along with 2 pancakes and 3 missed tackles, 1 being a missed sack and a few tackles in the run game. Didn't really have an effect on many plays, made a few plays, missed a few. Louisville was a team on fire that year and very difficult to stop their running game but all in all just a so-so performance.

2017 vs Louisville

2nd play of the game gets the edge slaps the tackles hands away and gets the sack. Good burst quick hands, good close on a nifty qb. More active and aggressive in this game. Had a few pressures to cause scrambles and bad throws. They either ran right at him or let him come free and ran away from him, I dont know if that is respect or a weakness they were trying to expose somewhere? When the run was designed his way he typically got pancaked or washed out. If it was an option and the run went his way he would disengage and make the play or force the runner to change direction. Louisville is a good rushing team so runs away from him there really isn't anything to be said. I couldn't help but notice a ton of dropped balls where the receiver was wide open in this game, a lot of these coming on 2nd and 3rd down when the game was still 1 or 2 scores difference. All in all though out of the 3 games I have seen so far, this one was by far the most impact he has had. I only watched NC State Defense vs. Louisville Offense, but that whole D looked alive and energetic, the crowd seemed to be really into as well.

2017 vs Vanderbilt

Forces an Int in the 2nd quarter with good inside move against the Right Tackle. Earlier had a good tackle for loss again against the right tackle. Gets a sack on a bull rush against the Left Tackle on a bull rush right before the half. Tackle was expecting him to try the edge, got bull rushed right into the qb before Chubb disengaged and took him down. Good play, won't be done consistently against Nfl tackles with better technique and strength, specifically lower body, dude got put on skates. 2nd half didn't do much, was in on a few run stops, got stood up by a TE on the goal line, had a few rushes that forced the qb to step up into the blitz. He plays both sides of the line but doesn't dominate either. Seems to me that he gets his sacks by the speed rush when the tackle has poor technique. Long arms allow him to swipe away hands when he intiates contact and he turns the corner, or he sets that up and then bull rushes or spins (rarely) when the lineman takes a poor kick step and bad body angle. Which really isn't much of a knock, can't fault a guy for beating guys who beat themselves, but rarely is he able to disengage with a rip/swim when the lineman gets his hands on him. Especially when he stunts on the interior and the lineman are waiting (not confused and reaching for the wrong guy), he just gets washed right out. He does have a good motor though, even when guys are already making contact he comes in to make sure they go down which is always good to see.

2017 vs Marshall

One thing I have notcied is that while he makes plays in the backfield often, he doesn't break down well before the tackle which has him over pursuing and reaching/arm tackling high a lot. I've seen him miss a few each game by not being able to break down and just reaching/lunging as the back runs right by or through him. I worry in the Nfl, better more powerful backs will make him pay more often then he can return the favor. Only thing I have seen so far in this game is 1 good play on a run stop where he completely makes the tackle miss and knifes into the backfield. The WR Brady from Marshall has stood out the most to me so far, he has made a few contested and tough sideline catches and shows good speed down the field. He gets a sack around the 9:44 mark in the 4th due to, well I don't even know what the tackle was trying to do. It almost looked like he was running to set a screen then went oh **** and tried to jump back towards Chubb. Horrible play from the tackle but great closing speed by Chubb to not give the qb time to throw it away. Not much in this game all together. He doesn't demand attention nor does he consistently create pressure when matched up 1v1, even against backs and tight ends. What he does very well is recognize run fits and disrupt the plays. Besides recognition you need to be able to disengage and have burst/closing speed and he has that in the run game. I only see that burst in the pass rush when he has a free rush, he gets it in the run because he knows where to put the lineman and then where to put himself in order to close, doesn't show that same awareness or ability in th passing game. Typically takes a mis-step from the lineman for him to be able to get to the qb. Occasionally he sets the guy up and wins, but if it's a 50/50 play he's getting beat 9/10 times. Doesn't show the abiltiy to change direction and disengage consistently. He is also asked to drop in coverage on occasion so I assume his cone and 40 will test well, I just don't see it transferring on tape . I thing his awareness and hustle/effort/motor add a little more to his athleticism than he actually has. I want to see a guy who is battling with a lineman all game, not one who repeatedly tries to run around and swipe his hands away. To me it's a chess match, your'e not only responding and countering the opponents moves, you are setting up your moves, to set them up, while being aware of what they are trying and going to try to do. Part of what makes KS and his scheme so great in my opinion is that very same process. He is constantly setting up future plays, showing the defense a certain formation and specific concepts all to make them play a certain coverage that he then exploits with the same formation, maybe even the same concept, but a totally different play that has multiple people open and the defenders looking foolish. Or as we saw last week, lose their composure and yell at each other, but I digress.

I have every other Pass Rusher to look at still, but my thoughts for now summed up on Chubb.
We'd probably be number 1 in run defense if we draft him, but I don't see him getting double digit sacks for us. I see him as a 6-10 sack guy at best who can become an excellent run defender. At least I don't ever see him as being a liabilty in the run game for a team. He just doesn't dominate anyone, his consistency which is why many tout him as a safe pick to me isn't enough. I mean he consistently sets the edge, and he is always giving 100% effort, but that's it. Double team him and he is out of the play, heck run right at him with a lead blocker and he is typically out of the play. He doesn't even consistently pressure the qb, and teams in each game i watched left him 1v1 consistently. Myles Garret was being triple teamed at times, this guy only gets double teamed in the run game. I don't see the top 10 pick status other than the thinking of " Pass rushers are highly valuable and he's the most consistent of the bunch, so he has to go higher than other positions even though those players in those positions are better than him, which means he has to go in the top 10. To me that's understandable impact wise but that doesn't make him worth the pick. We dont need an all around player (obiviously every team does in a sense), we need someone to get to the quarterback. He does everything above average to good nothing great. We have that in Thomas already. We need someone at that is going to be the best at their position or has the potential to be. This guy will never be Vonn Miller, Aldon Smith, shoot I don't even see a Demarcus Lawrence or a Myles Garret.

Conclusion: Solid prospect who will be a solid player for any team and any scheme. Maybe a Pro bowl or 2 in some of his best years, but will typically be "the other guy" when people talk about a team's pass rushers. Could be a key piece for a team that needs a steady presence, in my opinion that isn;t the 49ers. They need a game changer, like what Garret was touted as last year. Although I hope I'm wrong and this guy takes his run awareness and it transfers it to pass rushing, allowing himself to setup lineman with a bevy of moves, if he can do that, his other traits are just good enough for him to develop into an elite player. I just don't see it happening.

I doubt he's there when we pick.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I doubt he's there when we pick.

If he is what he's hyped to be -- the Niners have more than enough draft capital to get him. Pass rusher is this team's #1 need, by far.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I doubt he's there when we pick.

If he is what he's hyped to be -- the Niners have more than enough draft capital to get him. Pass rusher is this team's #1 need, by far.

Hopefully 4x QBs are selected above us