Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina State

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
He's the best edge rusher in the class because he's solid against the run and the pass and has good athleticism for his size. He's not an elite prospect like a Myles Garrett or Clowney, Von Miller, or Khalil Mack. Chubb will likely be a top 5 pick because the only elite prospects at their position are Barkley (RB) and Nelson (OG) which are less valuable positions.

Good size, pretty good athleticism (not ideal for LEO though), good motor, good production, some pass rush moves, good in run defense. He's solid all around which makes him a good prospect. He would have been somewhere between Garrett and Barnett last year given he's much better than Barnett against the run and doesn't have Barnett's physical limitations.

Thank you for the good explanation. Do you see this guy dominating tackles in the nfl? I just don't see him as a double digit sack guy at the next level. Being pretty good at everything, but excelling (or being elite) at nothing, sounds like Solomon Thomas to me.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I want Lynch to take him early...he looks to have exactly what Saleh needs at the LEO position. Top flight pass rushers are hard to find...I get the calls for Nelson, Barkley, etc. But, both good OL, RB's are plentiful, elite PR aren't. Beyond his sacks, he had 22.5 TFL, that's huge. Given Saleh plans to play Thomas inside more, for me, Chubb's a no-brainer.

But he isn't an elite pass rusher, he's considered the best end prospect because he is solid all around. Quite a few of his 20 sacks in the last 2 years have come from getting a free rush. Guys get their hands on him and it's almost always over, he doesn't have a counter. Pretty good hand swipe combined with his long arms and he is able to take the edge a few times a game, but that and the bull rush are it. Lesser tackles that he should have dominated were able to repeatedly wash him out. Best All-Around end without a doubt, but that's only because the other top prospects lack consistency and/or run defense. Chubb in my opinion will give you, 6-10 sacks and be a stout run defender on the edge at the next level per year. What he won't do is consistently bring pressure and hurries to the qb snap after snap with a few of those being sacks, which is what everyone wants and needs, it's also what everyone says will turn more of Buckner's hurries into sacks, but that's what Chubb won't do. Most of his plays come from inferior players making mistakes, that wont happen as often at the next level. Arden Key and Harold Landry both seem to put stress on the lineman play after play, (albeit when they're "on"), even when the lineman are in position, they're also a lot more fluid rushers, similar to Aldon Smith to me, which is what the team needs. Arden Key put a spin on this lineman who was in perfect position, technique was good and everything, it was so smooth and quick, the lineman literally looks down at his hands like, "what just happened". Highly doubt he is there when we pick, but that is the type of pass rushing we need, dudes who can put lineman on skates 1v1.

Originally posted by genus49:

Harold Landry should be our guy after we beat the Rams. Should be where we pick and hits a big need.

I think our pick will come down to Ridley, Landry, Smith or Nelson. It will be one of those 4

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

I want Lynch to take him early...he looks to have exactly what Saleh needs at the LEO position. Top flight pass rushers are hard to find...I get the calls for Nelson, Barkley, etc. But, both good OL, RB's are plentiful, elite PR aren't. Beyond his sacks, he had 22.5 TFL, that's huge. Given Saleh plans to play Thomas inside more, for me, Chubb's a no-brainer.

But he isn't an elite pass rusher, he's considered the best end prospect because he is solid all around. Quite a few of his 20 sacks in the last 2 years have come from getting a free rush. Guys get their hands on him and it's almost always over, he doesn't have a counter. Pretty good hand swipe combined with his long arms and he is able to take the edge a few times a game, but that and the bull rush are it. Lesser tackles that he should have dominated were able to repeatedly wash him out. Best All-Around end without a doubt, but that's only because the other top prospects lack consistency and/or run defense. Chubb in my opinion will give you, 6-10 sacks and be a stout run defender on the edge at the next level per year. What he won't do is consistently bring pressure and hurries to the qb snap after snap with a few of those being sacks, which is what everyone wants and needs, it's also what everyone says will turn more of Buckner's hurries into sacks, but that's what Chubb won't do. Most of his plays come from inferior players making mistakes, that wont happen as often at the next level. Arden Key and Harold Landry both seem to put stress on the lineman play after play, (albeit when they're "on"), even when the lineman are in position, they're also a lot more fluid rushers, similar to Aldon Smith to me, which is what the team needs. Arden Key put a spin on this lineman who was in perfect position, technique was good and everything, it was so smooth and quick, the lineman literally looks down at his hands like, "what just happened". Highly doubt he is there when we pick, but that is the type of pass rushing we need, dudes who can put lineman on skates 1v1.

Agreed with this. Chubb is a great prospect, but he doesn't transform the defense the way some are suggesting and he shouldn't be the primary pass rusher at LEO. He's a rock solid strongside DE who can create some pressures and hold up well against the run, but he isn't the next Aldon Smith. I am curious to see how he does at the combine to see whether he can develop into a LEO if he adds more pass rushing moves, but I'm not sure that's his best fit. If people don't want Nelson because he's not an ideal fit in a zone scheme, they shouldn't want Chubb given we're looking for a SAM/LEO.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I want Lynch to take him early...he looks to have exactly what Saleh needs at the LEO position. Top flight pass rushers are hard to find...I get the calls for Nelson, Barkley, etc. But, both good OL, RB's are plentiful, elite PR aren't. Beyond his sacks, he had 22.5 TFL, that's huge. Given Saleh plans to play Thomas inside more, for me, Chubb's a no-brainer.

But he doesn't. You're talking about an almost 280 pound guy who looks to be best suited to play the strongside DE. He's not the explosive speed rusher type that most teams running this scheme put at LEO. The average weight for those guys runs from 250-260. He's a good power rusher but by no means is he a Von Miller or Khalil Mack that will simply fly around tackles.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Agreed with this. Chubb is a great prospect, but he doesn't transform the defense the way some are suggesting and he shouldn't be the primary pass rusher at LEO. He's a rock solid strongside DE who can create some pressures and hold up well against the run, but he isn't the next Aldon Smith. I am curious to see how he does at the combine to see whether he can develop into a LEO if he adds more pass rushing moves, but I'm not sure that's his best fit. If people don't want Nelson because he's not an ideal fit in a zone scheme, they shouldn't want Chubb given we're looking for a SAM/LEO.

Fair. Will be interesting to see how he tests.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

I want Lynch to take him early...he looks to have exactly what Saleh needs at the LEO position. Top flight pass rushers are hard to find...I get the calls for Nelson, Barkley, etc. But, both good OL, RB's are plentiful, elite PR aren't. Beyond his sacks, he had 22.5 TFL, that's huge. Given Saleh plans to play Thomas inside more, for me, Chubb's a no-brainer.

But he doesn't. You're talking about an almost 280 pound guy who looks to be best suited to play the strongside DE. He's not the explosive speed rusher type that most teams running this scheme put at LEO. The average weight for those guys runs from 250-260. He's a good power rusher but by no means is he a Von Miller or Khalil Mack that will simply fly around tackles.

Sounds like the BE we need.

Fans focus on the LEO but we still need our Chris Doleman or Roy Barker on the other side --- bigger end who can hold up in run defense on the strong side but also provide real edge rush when teams do pass (on any down).

We have a million run defenders for the BE but don't have the edge rusher...the every-down BE.

Won't be there where we are picking

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

I want Lynch to take him early...he looks to have exactly what Saleh needs at the LEO position. Top flight pass rushers are hard to find...I get the calls for Nelson, Barkley, etc. But, both good OL, RB's are plentiful, elite PR aren't. Beyond his sacks, he had 22.5 TFL, that's huge. Given Saleh plans to play Thomas inside more, for me, Chubb's a no-brainer.

But he doesn't. You're talking about an almost 280 pound guy who looks to be best suited to play the strongside DE. He's not the explosive speed rusher type that most teams running this scheme put at LEO. The average weight for those guys runs from 250-260. He's a good power rusher but by no means is he a Von Miller or Khalil Mack that will simply fly around tackles.

Sounds like the BE we need.

Fans focus on the LEO but we still need our Chris Doleman or Roy Barker on the other side --- bigger end who can hold up in run defense on the strong side but also provide real edge rush when teams do pass (on any down).

We have a million run defenders for the BE but don't have the edge rusher...the every-down BE.

That's way down there on our list of needs because Thomas and Buckner who can both play BE. We don't have anyone on our roster who can play LEO effectively. If Chubb somehow makes it to 10, we should consider him because he'd probably be far and away the BPA (Barkley, Nelson, and Fitzpatrick would likely be gone if Chubb is still there), but I wouldn't trade up for Chubb even though he'd be a good strongside DE.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Sounds like the BE we need.

Fans focus on the LEO but we still need our Chris Doleman or Roy Barker on the other side --- bigger end who can hold up in run defense on the strong side but also provide real edge rush when teams do pass (on any down).

We have a million run defenders for the BE but don't have the edge rusher...the every-down BE.

They already have Thomas, Blair, Carradine....etc. In terms of overall roster needs, its way at the very bottom.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Sounds like the BE we need.

Fans focus on the LEO but we still need our Chris Doleman or Roy Barker on the other side --- bigger end who can hold up in run defense on the strong side but also provide real edge rush when teams do pass (on any down).

We have a million run defenders for the BE but don't have the edge rusher...the every-down BE.

They already have Thomas, Blair, Carradine....etc. In terms of overall roster needs, its way at the very bottom.

Yep. Elvis still solid out of the LE spot in nickel. Landry/Davenport for nickel elephant(RE/Leo).

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by genus49:

Harold Landry should be our guy after we beat the Rams. Should be where we pick and hits a big need.

I think our pick will come down to Ridley, Landry, Smith or Nelson. It will be one of those 4

I'd be extremely happy if this were true. Although I have to admit my reservations on Landry cause he never played this year and when he did was underwhelming. Senior Bowl week will be HUGE for him

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by genus49:

Harold Landry should be our guy after we beat the Rams. Should be where we pick and hits a big need.

I think our pick will come down to Ridley, Landry, Smith or Nelson. It will be one of those 4

I'd be extremely happy if this were true. Although I have to admit my reservations on Landry cause he never played this year and when he did was underwhelming. Senior Bowl week will be HUGE for him

Yeah..along with combine.

I think we'd have to trade up for Chubb, but he is my #1 want in the draft

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

I think we'd have to trade up for Chubb, but he is my #1 want in the draft

We would.. Write him off. All good, he wasnt a perfect fit here anyways.