Post-combine: BPA @ #2,

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ramsey isn't a safety so I have no idea why your even bringing it up as a comparison...Gipson was their FS and cyprien was the SS.

As far as people not knowing how good Reed was well that's baloney...dude was a stud FS out of Miami would had 20+ INTs and 9 his last yr in college. OH and that yr peppers was the pick at two and everyone would still pick the pass rusher. Safety isn't worth the 2nd pick in the draft just isn't.

He also ran a 4.59 forty as a free safety that's suppose to cover the field. That same year the bigger, faster Roy Williams went 8th. It's fair to say no safety has ever went top 4 and 8-20 is typically when the elite come off the board but it's not big of a reach and Thomas, Troy P and Reed would go top 3 in any redo draft. There's no denying their impacts.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Who was drafted at 24 not 2

Which doesn't diminish his career in any way...would we look at him different, or as a lesser player, if he was drafted at 2? In a redraft he'd be either #1 or #2 to peppers.

Right so you'd draft the pass rusher NOT the safety at two...I'm not diminishing anything I'm pointing out great college safeties like him didn't even get drafted that early....it's simply not as an important position as everything else

I sincerely hope you're not comparing Solomon Thomas to Julius Peppers. If there was another Julius Peppers in this draft in addition to Garrett, we'd have an easy choice at 2.

Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:

Originally posted by WildBill:
People like to argue you don't draft a certain position at a certain draft cause it is too early. I rather like to think of it like when it is said and done, if you had a redraft, how would teams draft then knowing what they know now. If the player is going to be an impact player or multi pro bowler, HOF- does it matter? Give me Thomas, Reed or Lott at number 2. With that said, he fits our scheme, but at the same time, he needs to clean up his angles and tackling. Atlanta did not have that in the SB, if they did, the Pats might not have had a chance.

THIS

I'm so tired of hearing that this position or another was never drafted at number 2 in the draft, blah, blah, blah. You ppl also said that Lynch was a bad hire because no GM without the right experience has ever been hired by an NFL team. We can't live being so afraid of breaking conventional norms.

Malik Hooker...49ers new FS....2017 NFL DRAFT!!!

NO safety end of the day just isn't as important as QB,LT,pass rush, WR, CB...it's just not, you can swing it around to try and fit whatever but it's the truth. People bring up Earl Thomas and how he's the heart of the D, but when Bennett was out for 5 weeks that D allowed 3 20+ games and lost twice.

Why can't Ward move to his natural position? Lynch already said that's the plan so why draft a FS? We just don't have the talent elsewhere to be burning a pick on safety. Trade down sure that changes a lot of things BUT if we don't we need to go with the DE in Thomas.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Who was drafted at 24 not 2

Which doesn't diminish his career in any way...would we look at him different, or as a lesser player, if he was drafted at 2? In a redraft he'd be either #1 or #2 to peppers.

Right so you'd draft the pass rusher NOT the safety at two...I'm not diminishing anything I'm pointing out great college safeties like him didn't even get drafted that early....it's simply not as an important position as everything else

I sincerely hope you're not comparing Solomon Thomas to Julius Peppers. If there was another Julius Peppers in this draft in addition to Garrett, we'd have an easy choice at 2.

Did I say I was? I'm showing that a pass rusher got drafted well ahead of him. I would also compare Myles to Peppers.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ramsey isn't a safety so I have no idea why your even bringing it up as a comparison...Gipson was their FS and cyprien was the SS.

As far as people not knowing how good Reed was well that's baloney...dude was a stud FS out of Miami would had 20+ INTs and 9 his last yr in college. OH and that yr peppers was the pick at two and everyone would still pick the pass rusher. Safety isn't worth the 2nd pick in the draft just isn't.

He also ran a 4.59 forty as a free safety that's suppose to cover the field. That same year the bigger, faster Roy Williams went 8th. It's fair to say no safety has ever went top 4 and 8-20 is typically when the elite come off the board but it's not big of a reach and Thomas, Troy P and Reed would go top 3 in any redo draft. There's no denying their impacts.

Crazy thing is they also had elite talent ALL around them in that front 7...there's no denying that either

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crazy thing is they also had elite talent ALL around them in that front 7...there's no denying that either

I don't know if I'd call Tony McDaniel, Red Bryant, Chris Clemons elite talent when Seattle 1st became a #1 d but to each his own.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Crazy thing is they also had elite talent ALL around them in that front 7...there's no denying that either

I don't know if I'd call Tony McDaniel, Red Bryant, Chris Clemons elite talent when Seattle 1st became a #1 d but to each his own.

Then why wasn't Earl Thomas a top 2 pick? sure helps having Wagner, K.J. Wright up front then Sherman taking away half the field as well. He's also got Chandler out there.

Clemons was a double digit sacks guy his 3 full yrs in Seattle....face it that WHOLE D is/was good. I'm not drafting a safety at two who's currently recovering form a torn labrum.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then why wasn't Earl Thomas a top 2 pick? sure helps having Wagner, K.J. Wright up front then Sherman taking away half the field as well. He's also got Chandler out there.

Clemons was a double digit sacks guy his 3 full yrs in Seattle....face it that WHOLE D is/was good. I'm not drafting a safety at two who's currently recovering form a torn labrum.

Eric Berry was the top safety that year and he went 5 which I think is the highest a safety has ever went. There's no question s is kind of like a guard and they don't go as high but to question the value of a Reed, Troy or Thomas is downright insane. Seattle turned into dog sh after Earl got hurt.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Then why wasn't Earl Thomas a top 2 pick? sure helps having Wagner, K.J. Wright up front then Sherman taking away half the field as well. He's also got Chandler out there.

Clemons was a double digit sacks guy his 3 full yrs in Seattle....face it that WHOLE D is/was good. I'm not drafting a safety at two who's currently recovering form a torn labrum.

Eric Berry was the top safety that year and he went 5 which I think is the highest a safety has ever went. There's no question s is kind of like a guard and they don't go as high but to question the value of a Reed, Troy or Thomas is downright insane. Seattle turned into dog sh after Earl got hurt.

they turned into dog s**t when Bennett got hurt as well this yr. I never questioned their value simply said that value can be found later and it has throughout past drafts.

harrison smith-29th pick
Thomas-14th
Weddle-2nd rd
Collins-2nd rd
Chancellor-5th rd
McCourty-27th
Jefferson-UDFA
Jones-5th rd
Church-UDFA
Parker-UDFA

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:

Originally posted by WildBill:
People like to argue you don't draft a certain position at a certain draft cause it is too early. I rather like to think of it like when it is said and done, if you had a redraft, how would teams draft then knowing what they know now. If the player is going to be an impact player or multi pro bowler, HOF- does it matter? Give me Thomas, Reed or Lott at number 2. With that said, he fits our scheme, but at the same time, he needs to clean up his angles and tackling. Atlanta did not have that in the SB, if they did, the Pats might not have had a chance.

THIS

I'm so tired of hearing that this position or another was never drafted at number 2 in the draft, blah, blah, blah. You ppl also said that Lynch was a bad hire because no GM without the right experience has ever been hired by an NFL team. We can't live being so afraid of breaking conventional norms.

Malik Hooker...49ers new FS....2017 NFL DRAFT!!!

NO safety end of the day just isn't as important as QB,LT,pass rush, WR, CB...it's just not, you can swing it around to try and fit whatever but it's the truth. People bring up Earl Thomas and how he's the heart of the D, but when Bennett was out for 5 weeks that D allowed 3 20+ games and lost twice.

Why can't Ward move to his natural position? Lynch already said that's the plan so why draft a FS? We just don't have the talent elsewhere to be burning a pick on safety. Trade down sure that changes a lot of things BUT if we don't we need to go with the DE in Thomas.

I think we need to factor in a few other variables in this situation. Our last two first round picks were d-linemen which has an impact, how much money (future $ really) do we want tied to one area of the team. This is a loaded defensive draft (secondary talent galore) and not so great on offense. Worse the consensus is there is really no QB worth the 2nd pick since most need a year on the bench.

If that foster kid didn't go crazy I would have thought maybe him, but then we really need to see where Bowman is at anyway. If he's healthy hes our middle linebacker in the new scheme. If he's not we are shopping next year.

While its true we could pick anyone, I am guessing we don't draft a lineman not named Garret. I was thinking Allen, but I'm sure his shoulder issues scared people off. I also think we skip QB unless they fell in love with one. Maybe we will draft Thomas, but supposedly many say he doesn't exactly fit in anywhere 100%. Sounds like a situational pass rusher to me. If they take him I would be cool with it tho.

I won't be mad if we draft Hooker or Adams. They have serious potential, day 1 starters. If they pan out and are great we could care less that he was picked at 2. And in that defense a dynamic FS just makes passing on it so much harder.

Simply put I am saying we are so bad I just want BPA. A day 1 starter who is solid and we can check off that position for the foreseeable future lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think we need to factor in a few other variables in this situation. Our last two first round picks were d-linemen which has an impact, how much money (future $ really) do we want tied to one area of the team. This is a loaded defensive draft (secondary talent galore) and not so great on offense. Worse the consensus is there is really no QB worth the 2nd pick since most need a year on the bench.

If that foster kid didn't go crazy I would have thought maybe him, but then we really need to see where Bowman is at anyway. If he's healthy hes our middle linebacker in the new scheme. If he's not we are shopping next year.

While its true we could pick anyone, I am guessing we don't draft a lineman not named Garret. I was thinking Allen, but I'm sure his shoulder issues scared people off. I also think we skip QB unless they fell in love with one. Maybe we will draft Thomas, but supposedly many say he doesn't exactly fit in anywhere 100%. Sounds like a situational pass rusher to me. If they take him I would be cool with it tho.

I won't be mad if we draft Hooker or Adams. They have serious potential, day 1 starters. If they pan out and are great we could care less that he was picked at 2. And in that defense a dynamic FS just makes passing on it so much harder.

Simply put I am saying we are so bad I just want BPA. A day 1 starter who is solid and we can check off that position for the foreseeable future lol

Not sure how Solomon is a situational pass rusher and that's it? Top of the country in stuffing the run and last I saw we weren't very good at that lol. 6th in the country in rushing the passer on top of it. There's nothing situational about his game, he's a 4 down player that can be moved all around that DL including LEO if need be.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford/

PFF: Bottom Line "Thomas was dominant this season as shown by his No. 1 run-defense grade (92.0) and No. 6 pass-rushing grade (86.9) among FBS interior defensive linemen. Thomas has been highly productive the last two seasons but has followed a natural skill development progression as he was first a solid run defender and then made an ever-increasing contribution as a pass-rusher. Thomas's pass-rushing productivity rating of 8.7 ranked No. 5 among Power-5 defensive tackles. Thomas has experience playing in the interior of the defensive line but only weighs 270 pounds so he isn't exactly the ideal size to play inside in the NFL but his experience inside and his proven ability to hold up makes him an ideal candidate to play base defensive end and then a player who can shift inside to defensive tackle in sub-package situations. If nickel is the new base, then Thomas' ability to stop the run plus rush the passer from inside or outside will make him a highly coveted player in the draft."

I hear ya I want a pro-bowl player but I want it at an important position when we're drafting this high...if there was a sure fire pro-bowl guard at two would you draft him? No you wouldn't...as far as AA goes I'm a supporter but this is a new scheme, new FO, and going into yr three we have no great film on the kid and he's struggled, Maybe he puts it all together and we have three stud DEs which I'm fine with.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
they turned into dog s**t when Bennett got hurt as well this yr. I never questioned their value simply said that value can be found later and it has throughout past drafts.

harrison smith-29th pick
Thomas-14th
Weddle-2nd rd
Collins-2nd rd
Chancellor-5th rd
McCourty-27th
Jefferson-UDFA
Jones-5th rd
Church-UDFA
Parker-UDFA

Studs at all positions can be found later. I can give you a great list of pass rushers found later too. Where you do have a point is no safety has ever went top 4, it is like guard where it's valued a half a round later and it would worry me to take a 1 year starter whose out for 4-6 months there. Hooker seems like a better pick if we could move down to 6 or 9.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Studs at all positions can be found later. I can give you a great list of pass rushers found later too. Where you do have a point is no safety has ever went top 4, it is like guard where it's valued a half a round later and it would worry me to take a 1 year starter whose out for 4-6 months there. Hooker seems like a better pick if we could move down to 6 or 9.

that list was basically who's who currently at safety (outside of Berry who was the 5th pick). I agree if we move down all bets are off go after Hooker or a WR. IF we're staying at two I'm leaning towards a pass rusher and run stuffer in Thomas. We got about a month to figure it out

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not sure how Solomon is a situational pass rusher and that's it? Top of the country in stuffing the run and last I saw we weren't very good at that lol. 6th in the country in rushing the passer on top of it. There's nothing situational about his game, he's a 4 down player that can be moved all around that DL including LEO if need be.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford/

PFF: Bottom Line "Thomas was dominant this season as shown by his No. 1 run-defense grade (92.0) and No. 6 pass-rushing grade (86.9) among FBS interior defensive linemen. Thomas has been highly productive the last two seasons but has followed a natural skill development progression as he was first a solid run defender and then made an ever-increasing contribution as a pass-rusher. Thomas's pass-rushing productivity rating of 8.7 ranked No. 5 among Power-5 defensive tackles. Thomas has experience playing in the interior of the defensive line but only weighs 270 pounds so he isn't exactly the ideal size to play inside in the NFL but his experience inside and his proven ability to hold up makes him an ideal candidate to play base defensive end and then a player who can shift inside to defensive tackle in sub-package situations. If nickel is the new base, then Thomas' ability to stop the run plus rush the passer from inside or outside will make him a highly coveted player in the draft."

I hear ya I want a pro-bowl player but I want it at an important position when we're drafting this high...if there was a sure fire pro-bowl guard at two would you draft him? No you wouldn't...as far as AA goes I'm a supporter but this is a new scheme, new FO, and going into yr three we have no great film on the kid and he's struggled, Maybe he puts it all together and we have three stud DEs which I'm fine with.

Cant say i disagree with you. I am basically happy with anyone except Fournette lol I just hope we hit a home run. Aldon was talent wise, but his off field issues claimed his potential. I would personally rate a safety higher then a guard.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not sure how Solomon is a situational pass rusher and that's it? Top of the country in stuffing the run and last I saw we weren't very good at that lol. 6th in the country in rushing the passer on top of it. There's nothing situational about his game, he's a 4 down player that can be moved all around that DL including LEO if need be.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford/

PFF: Bottom Line "Thomas was dominant this season as shown by his No. 1 run-defense grade (92.0) and No. 6 pass-rushing grade (86.9) among FBS interior defensive linemen. Thomas has been highly productive the last two seasons but has followed a natural skill development progression as he was first a solid run defender and then made an ever-increasing contribution as a pass-rusher. Thomas's pass-rushing productivity rating of 8.7 ranked No. 5 among Power-5 defensive tackles. Thomas has experience playing in the interior of the defensive line but only weighs 270 pounds so he isn't exactly the ideal size to play inside in the NFL but his experience inside and his proven ability to hold up makes him an ideal candidate to play base defensive end and then a player who can shift inside to defensive tackle in sub-package situations. If nickel is the new base, then Thomas' ability to stop the run plus rush the passer from inside or outside will make him a highly coveted player in the draft."

I hear ya I want a pro-bowl player but I want it at an important position when we're drafting this high...if there was a sure fire pro-bowl guard at two would you draft him? No you wouldn't...as far as AA goes I'm a supporter but this is a new scheme, new FO, and going into yr three we have no great film on the kid and he's struggled, Maybe he puts it all together and we have three stud DEs which I'm fine with.

Cant say i disagree with you. I am basically happy with anyone except Fournette lol I just hope we hit a home run. Aldon was talent wise, but his off field issues claimed his potential. I would personally rate a safety higher then a guard.

Also, I think AA deserves this year, similar to Bowman. I recall he was looking great in pre-season until he got hurt. We would be foolish not to see how they do this year. But - you can never have enough pass rushers so if this kid is the real deal I am in.