Realistic trade scenario since Browns want Garrett and Trubisky

Rumor has it the Browns want Trubisky as thier QB, an Ohio mr Football native, that would want to be in Ohio. They also want the top player in the draft that would be Garrett. Now if the Browns select Trubisky first, the Niners should take Myles Garret, no questions asked. However if they draft Garrett first and want Trubisky, who they know will not be there in at 12, I propose the following trade.

Browns get pick 2 from Niners- They select Trubisky, they get Garret and Trubisky and are happy.

Niners get pick 12, 33, and pick 65 from Browns. We also get a 4th rounder in 2018.

The Niners then have

Pick 12
Pick 33
Pick 34
Pick 65
Pick 66

Imagine the options with 5 picks in top 66 and two back to back picks starting the draft on days 2 and 3.

This is a fathonable scenario.

Not enough back in the trade if they want that to happen.

#2 for #12, their 2 2nd rounders this year and a second next year will work.

Look at how much Philly gave up to move up from #6 to #2.

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Originally posted by krizay:

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Originally posted by genus49:
Not enough back in the trade if they want that to happen.

#2 for #12, their 2 2nd rounders this year and a second next year will work.

Look at how much Philly gave up to move up from #6 to #2.

More than enough back in that trade given how flat the talent is after Garrett. I'd take that trade over picking a safety at #2. This is an incredibly deep draft, so you're getting 2nd round talents in the 3rd round and 3rd round talents in the 4th round.

You can toss the trade value chart out considering the depth at several positions this year and the lack of a consensus #2 prospect. Their 2nd and 3rd round picks are worth 835 points. Add in the #12 pick and the future 4th round pick (on an awful team) and that brings the total to a little under 2100 (close to an even trade for the #3 pick in a normal draft). I'd take that considering the flat talent level after Garrett and the better than average picks you're getting after the first round. I doubt the Browns would make that trade though. Teams are not going to be looking to trade up this year with how much talent is available in rounds 2 and 3.

The Eagles made that trade in a draft that wasn't as deep for a better QB prospect when there was a much bigger drop-off from Wentz to the next best QB prospect and no good options in the 2nd round (Lynch was supposed to be a first round pick and Hackenberg was a reach). There was also less talent available at the QB position via free agency or a trade. No one is going to be desperate for a QB when we're picking with all the prospects available (Watson had a better combine than Trubisky and both he and Kizer could be options in the 8-12 range). A ton of teams are going to be looking to trade down and pick up picks in such a deep draft, so the Browns will have plenty of opportunities to trade up.

I like the idea of this trade if the Browns really like Trubisky. They'd still have a 2nd round pick and 5 picks from rounds 4-5, so they may feel like they enough room to draft role players and move up for a QB they like, especially if it makes it easier for them to pick Garrett at #1.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Exactly, if they want him trubisky at #2. They need to give up a king's ransom like 12, 33, 52, 65, 1st rounder 2018, and 2nd rounder 2019

Originally posted by krizay:

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

No head cases

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:
#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Exactly, if they want him trubisky at #2. They need to give up a king's ransom like 12, 33, 52, 65, 1st rounder 2018, and 2nd rounder 2019

Who would you pick at #2 that is worth more than what 9erred proposed we get in return? Beggars can't be choosers. If we want to move down in a draft where everyone wants to move down, we'd have to take what we can get or pick whoever we want at #2 and miss out on those extra players.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Exactly, if they want him trubisky at #2. They need to give up a king's ransom like 12, 33, 52, 65, 1st rounder 2018, and 2nd rounder 2019

Who would you pick at #2 that is worth more than what 9erred proposed we get in return? Beggars can't be choosers. If we want to move down in a draft where everyone wants to move down, we'd have to take what we can get or pick whoever we want at #2 and miss out on those extra players.

If a team sees a future franchise QB they will pay a king's ransom. Look at what the browns got for trading their #2 from the eagles. If the browns really want trubisky, they'll need to pay a lot to move from #12 to #2.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Who would you pick at #2 that is worth more than what 9erred proposed we get in return? Beggars can't be choosers. If we want to move down in a draft where everyone wants to move down, we'd have to take what we can get or pick whoever we want at #2 and miss out on those extra players.

I'd take Trubisky or Watson at #2. Trading down just to trade down is stupid and sets a bad precedent. If you're in that position again teams will point to the past trade.

If someone wants to move up they'll have to pay the market price which we saw just last year.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:
#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Exactly, if they want him trubisky at #2. They need to give up a king's ransom like 12, 33, 52, 65, 1st rounder 2018, and 2nd rounder 2019

Who would you pick at #2 that is worth more than what 9erred proposed we get in return? Beggars can't be choosers. If we want to move down in a draft where everyone wants to move down, we'd have to take what we can get or pick whoever we want at #2 and miss out on those extra players.

If a team sees a future franchise QB they will pay a king's ransom. Look at what the browns got for trading their #2 from the eagles. If the browns really want trubisky, they'll need to pay a lot to move from #12 to #2.

Supply and demand - there are tons of teams who will be looking to pick up extra picks in the 2nd-4th rounds in such a deep draft. There are lots of teams you can trade up with and there are lots of QBs you can target in the first 2-3 rounds. It's not even clear which QB is the best in this draft. Trubisky and Kizer were ranked the highest heading into the combine, but Watson looked the best at the combine. It just seems foolish for anyone to offer much of a haul for the #2 pick when there are plenty of potential trade partners they can trade with to get a top QB.

All this talk about needing to accept a king's ransom for the pick is nonsense. If it's in our interest to trade down and we can find a trade that makes sense for us, we'll do it whether or not we "win" on the trade value chart or we get a king's ransom.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Supply and demand - there are tons of teams who will be looking to pick up extra picks in the 2nd-4th rounds in such a deep draft. There are lots of teams you can trade up with and there are lots of QBs you can target in the first 2-3 rounds. It's not even clear which QB is the best in this draft. Trubisky and Kizer were ranked the highest heading into the combine, but Watson looked the best at the combine. It just seems foolish for anyone to offer much of a haul for the #2 pick when there are plenty of potential trade partners they can trade with to get a top QB.

All this talk about needing to accept a king's ransom for the pick is nonsense. If it's in our interest to trade down and we can find a trade that makes sense for us, we'll do it whether or not we "win" on the trade value chart or we get a king's ransom.

Once again if someone is looking to trade up it means they really want a player available there. Yes this is a deep draft it doesn't mean we should say screw it we'd like to pick up an extra pick or two and totally get hosed especially when Trubisky or Watson have great potential. Imagine if we trade down for a couple of lower picks just to trade down and the guy they draft with our pick turns into a franchise qb?

Like I said earlier you're also setting a precedent for what you're willing to take. You take less now you'll never get what you SHOULD get another time. Bad business to take less just to trade down but we'll see what happens. May be a moot point.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

#12, #33, Josh Gordon & 2nd next year?

Wtf...Don't know if they even have the rights to him anymore.

Look up the trade value of #2. Not even close to fair compensation

Exactly, if they want him trubisky at #2. They need to give up a king's ransom like 12, 33, 52, 65, 1st rounder 2018, and 2nd rounder 2019

Who would you pick at #2 that is worth more than what 9erred proposed we get in return? Beggars can't be choosers. If we want to move down in a draft where everyone wants to move down, we'd have to take what we can get or pick whoever we want at #2 and miss out on those extra players.

If a team sees a future franchise QB they will pay a king's ransom. Look at what the browns got for trading their #2 from the eagles. If the browns really want trubisky, they'll need to pay a lot to move from #12 to #2.

Supply and demand - there are tons of teams who will be looking to pick up extra picks in the 2nd-4th rounds in such a deep draft. There are lots of teams you can trade up with and there are lots of QBs you can target in the first 2-3 rounds. It's not even clear which QB is the best in this draft. Trubisky and Kizer were ranked the highest heading into the combine, but Watson looked the best at the combine. It just seems foolish for anyone to offer much of a haul for the #2 pick when there are plenty of potential trade partners they can trade with to get a top QB.

All this talk about needing to accept a king's ransom for the pick is nonsense. If it's in our interest to trade down and we can find a trade that makes sense for us, we'll do it whether or not we "win" on the trade value chart or we get a king's ransom.

What's so nonsense about it? You act like teams haven't given up a king's ransom before. If you haven't noticed, the demand for QBs is pretty high right now... and if a team falls in love with a QB, they will pay for him.

1st of all...f**k that, you take garrett

2nd...if they were to offer something, it would have to be a hell of alot more. Im talking RG3 trade status.