Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by mayo49:
when Thomas out plays AA, we can always trade him or keep him as a solid backup.

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
completely disagree...you keep on thinking we can't draft a pass rusher or a NT in this draft like we don't have 10 picks He's one of the safest picks in the draft, a blue chip prospect.

Show me all the film of him struggling against OG on the reg? 7 off sides penalties ...dude you're stretching it so hard.

Read his scouting report. Can get engulfed, has issues with big and powerful. Stanford finished 39th against the run allowing 4.11 ypc I wouldn't think there's no tape of holes being opened on him. That's not to say he's not good there #1 rated doesn't lie but it seems like that's based off his 37 tackles/ 14 for loss.

NT I'd agree, but edge rushers typically require large investments. It's not we'll get one in the 4th and we need 2 of those. I do agree he's a safer pick but he's no sure thing. 12 career college sacks is not a sure thing.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Your exactly 100% right.

I love Thomas. I love his passion. His work ethic. I think he is and will be a leader. His motor on the field.

I do worry about 3 Dlinemen in a row and where he will fit bit I think he could scheme in.

I look at all the prospects and I think Adams is the only one that has no red flags. Plus he is an Alpha leader and will make our D step up a notch. He is a field general.

Depth is a good thing on the Dline though but honestly I don't think we can go wrong with Thomas or Adams. Both bring so much more to this team than results on the field that they are both worthy of #2

I like Adams no doubt and Hooker is a great ball-hawk safety. IMO safety just isn't a position you spend the 2nd overall pick on. Both Adams and Thomas are alpha male's and leaders of their defense. I do question Adam's long speed running a 4.56 isn't ideal.

someone like Obi Melifonwu has Kam Chancellor type qualities written all over him (and will be there at 34)

In a trade down i'm all over either safety... if we're staying at 2 I'm still sticking with Thomas. We will see!

Originally posted by tjd808185:
There's red flags with him as with any prospect. He only has 1 year of sack production, he can struggle against larger guards due to his lack of size, 7 offsides penalties last year. I still want to go defense just address an area where we didn't spend the 6th pick last year. People want to compare this to the Rams but they drafted a nose, an end, and then Donald as the under tackle. All 3 play, all areas on line addressed. It's a huge concern to me that we'll have spent 3 picks on the line and done nothing to address the edge or nose. Still got to rely on Earl Mitchell, Aaron Lynch, Ahmad Brooks. In other words the d line is still awful.

1 year of larger sack production, it also happened to be after he took the initiative to work on his hands by doing boxing. He was still making plays his first year as a starter anyways.

Can struggle against larger guards due to his lack of size? Got tape on this happening time and time again? "Can" struggle doesn't mean he struggles. You can find tape of any player having off plays but good luck finding a play on Thomas where he doesn't give his max effort.

7 offsides penalties is a red flag? Boy now we're reaching the bottom of the barrel.

Originally posted by genus49:
1 year of larger sack production, it also happened to be after he took the initiative to work on his hands by doing boxing. He was still making plays his first year as a starter anyways.

Can struggle against larger guards due to his lack of size? Got tape on this happening time and time again? "Can" struggle doesn't mean he struggles. You can find tape of any player having off plays but good luck finding a play on Thomas where he doesn't give his max effort.

7 offsides penalties is a red flag? Boy now we're reaching the bottom of the barrel.

Again read any scouting report. I'm not f'n Mike Mayock with 1,000 hours of Stanford college tapes on hand. His NFL bio says he can get engulfed, has some issues with larger guards so I'll take their word on that. Also considering I didn't ignore the can part and put it in there I understand that it means at times and not that he just gets flap jacked by every larger guard.

Combine numbers, height and arm length almost identical to Khalil Mack's while being 20 pounds heavier... Just sayin

I hate using hyperbole, but if you add Thomas and he and Buckner realize their full potential, it'd be like having Michael Bennett and Calais Campbell in your rotation.

Who wouldn't take that?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
completely disagree...you keep on thinking we can't draft a pass rusher or a NT in this draft like we don't have 10 picks He's one of the safest picks in the draft, a blue chip prospect.

Show me all the film of him struggling against OG on the reg? 7 off sides penalties ...dude you're stretching it so hard.

Read his scouting report. Can get engulfed, has issues with big and powerful. Stanford finished 39th against the run allowing 4.11 ypc I wouldn't think there's no tape of holes being opened on him. That's not to say he's not good there #1 rated doesn't lie but it seems like that's based off his 37 tackles/ 14 for loss.

NT I'd agree, but edge rushers typically require large investments. It's not we'll get one in the 4th and we need 2 of those. I do agree he's a safer pick but he's no sure thing. 12 career college sacks is not a sure thing.

Hey I agree if there was a pure edge rusher I'd be all for it...look at the sack leaders from this past yr in the top 10, it's littered with players that weren't 1st rd picks. Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden, Alexander etc...if we stay at two I'm going with the blue chip player.

nothing is a sure thing

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hey I agree if there was a pure edge rusher I'd be all for it...look at the sack leaders from this past yr in the top 10, it's littered with players that weren't 1st rd picks. Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden, Alexander etc...if we stay at two I'm going with the blue chip player.

nothing is a sure thing

That's the case everywhere but the odds of hitting aren't good plus I think I've heard you say that about 9 positions now. We only have 1 pick in each round and the odds of hitting decrease each time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hey I agree if there was a pure edge rusher I'd be all for it...look at the sack leaders from this past yr in the top 10, it's littered with players that weren't 1st rd picks. Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden, Alexander etc...if we stay at two I'm going with the blue chip player.

nothing is a sure thing

The problem I think we face is a depleted list by the 2nd. If all the big name guys go in the first, there isn't anybody of value sitting at 34. So it sounds go to say we need to get one, but the chances a 3rd/4th round pick gives us the boost we need is slim. We have a lot of those guys and we're still looking.

A lot of mocks (granted it's a mock) have all the targets going late 1. If our biggest needs are QB and edge pass rusher and we don't get either cemented this year, it's going to be disappointing.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hey I agree if there was a pure edge rusher I'd be all for it...look at the sack leaders from this past yr in the top 10, it's littered with players that weren't 1st rd picks. Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden, Alexander etc...if we stay at two I'm going with the blue chip player.

nothing is a sure thing

That's the case everywhere but the odds of hitting aren't good plus I think I've heard you say that about 9 positions now. We only have 1 pick in each round and the odds of hitting decrease each time.

Yes I've said that for pass rusher and safety...don't exaggerate How do we have one pick in each round when we have 10 picks

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I like Adams no doubt and Hooker is a great ball-hawk safety. IMO safety just isn't a position you spend the 2nd overall pick on. Both Adams and Thomas are alpha male's and leaders of their defense. I do question Adam's long speed running a 4.56 isn't ideal.

someone like Obi Melifonwu has Kam Chancellor type qualities written all over him (and will be there at 34)

In a trade down i'm all over either safety... if we're staying at 2 I'm still sticking with Thomas. We will see!

In an ideal world we trade down with the Jets (Trubs) or Carolina (Fournette) picking up an extra 2nd and a 1st next year.

1- Jamal Adams SS
2- Jarrad Davis LB
2- Jordan Willis DE
3- Dalvin Tomlinson NT
4- Brad Kaaya QB
4- Jeremy McNichols RB

Adding those 4 studs to this D will be huge.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

In an ideal world we trade down with the Jets (Trubs) or Carolina (Fournette) picking up an extra 2nd and a 1st next year.

1- Jamal Adams SS
2- Jarrad Davis LB
2- Jordan Willis DE
3- Dalvin Tomlinson NT
4- Brad Kaaya QB
4- Jeremy McNichols RB

Adding those 4 studs to this D will be huge.

Put Barnett at 1
Swap Willis with Engram
Swap Kaya with Peterman

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes I've said that for pass rusher and safety...don't exaggerate How do we have one pick in each round when we have 10 picks

Didn't say it about receiver?, rb in the 3rd like Hunt I know you've said that, corner, do you want Pederman that's an early 3rd. You just can't hit every need.

Originally posted by jreff22:
The problem I think we face is a depleted list by the 2nd. If all the big name guys go in the first, there isn't anybody of value sitting at 34. So it sounds go to say we need to get one, but the chances a 3rd/4th round pick gives us the boost we need is slim. We have a lot of those guys and we're still looking.

A lot of mocks (granted it's a mock) have all the targets going late 1. If our biggest needs are QB and edge pass rusher and we don't get either cemented this year, it's going to be disappointing.

just looking at CBS draft big board and this is who's reported to be there right around 34...

Takkarist McKinley-34th overall prospect
Charles Harris-32nd
Tim Williams-38th
T.J. Watt-41st
Tyus Bowser-67th
Jordan Willis-72nd
Derek Rivers-82nd
Ryan Anderson-92nd
Devonte Fields-150

I'll gladly give up a 4th and 6th (what we gave up last yr to move up) to move up and grab McKinley/Harris/Williams