Solomon Thomas--Stanford

Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's from looking at pure production stats. Barnett was highly productive in his career but many think it won't directly translate over to the NFL as he's got wide hips and lacks the COD quickness to get around tackles. Makes him a one trick pony rusher. What I like about Thomas over Barnett is he's got quicker hips. It means he'll be more likely to add a speed rush to his repetoire and be a pass rusher with more variance. I stick with my Nick Perry comparison with Barnett. He'll be productive, but most likely won't be able to produce double digit sacks year in and year out - which makes him a definite "no" as the 2nd overall.

Thomas has a much higher ceiling for pass rush IMO. While not Jason Taylor fast, he has the potential to be a good mix of size, strength and speed off the edge like so many dominant pass rushers in the past.

I agree with everything you said

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
You can try him at LEO, but only if the coaching staff doesn't ask him to drop weight. If they ask him to drop weight, then just forget about the whole idea. It sounds extremely stupid.

Sticking him at 3-tech would be okay..... I guess.

People don't want to experiment and try different guys out at different positions because we just had a cutsey GM named Trent Baalke who thought he could draft guys and experiment with whatever he wanted to.

Carradine? All over the place. And probably screwed up his development too. Now he's a bust.

Drafting Jimmie Ward to be a nickel corner?

etc etc.....

It's like asking the new GM to draft ACL guys because you see it as a value pick. Can you be successful doing it? Sure you can. How likely is it though?

Aldon smith at OLB? He was a 4-3 DE in college.

If you like to read the mock drafts from the people that cover the draft, even THEY are mentioning that the 49ers taking Thomas @ 2 is building steam according to scouts and personnel people in their write-ups. Just read 2 mocks from CBS Sports specifically mentioning this.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
Read up son.

-Natural-born leader of men

-Intelligent field general. Gets secondary aligned properly

-"The people who have been at that program the longest think he might be the best leader LSU has had in years. He's a no-doubt first-rounder. He can play all over the field and he could have an immediate impact on defense just like Landon Collins did coming out. I love him. I think he's a winner." - AFC area scout

-Interchangeable safety with a sheriff's mentality. Adams is a physical tone-setter who should thrive near the line of scrimmage or in a robber role. Should be a commanding presence in the locker room early on and his do-as-I-do play demeanor could be the catalyst for turning a struggling defense around quickly.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jamal-adams%3Fid%3D2557979&ved=0ahUKEwjk1tPQ2erSAhVBwYMKHS1FD6gQFgimATAg&usg=AFQjCNG_J9HC-cmMlZrVjs1aiBZZ9EH8vw

This is who we need. Not another player to rotate on the strongest part of our team.

Did you seriously say that with a straight face? Strongest part of our team?

Last I checked we were one of the worst run defenses in the history of the sport. Last I checked our pass rush was awful. How the hell can you say the DL was the strongest part of our team? It has the most early first round picks invested on it...doesn't mean it's the strongest part of our team. If anything the safety position is the strongest part of our team.

Oh god, I don't think I can genus vs hitman on this board.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Because your original point was something along the lines of Shanny's system will elevate and there I have to say no.

So you think Shanahan's system won't help our offensive players be better than they were before?

So why did we hire him?

All I know is that I'm sick and tired of these 1st rounders Bukakke has been drafting that have barely been making 1st round type of impact. Whoever we get, dude better make a freaking impact in every game he plays in. And when I say impact, dude better be a game-changer who turns the game around to getting us a couple extra wins on the primary basis of his play affecting the game.

THIS is what it means to hit on a player in the 1st round to me.

Tired of these areola impact types like Arik Armstead, Jimmie Ward, Buckner, Josh Garnett (who), Reid, and Jenkins who hover around key players.

Give me a nipple that squirts milk.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Aldon smith at OLB? He was a 4-3 DE in college.

He didn't have to drop his playing weight to transition.

Like I said before, if Thomas can do it without dropping his weight, then go for it. But if you want him to shed 20-25 pounds to play LEO because you don't think he is fast enough to get around a tackle, then that would be way too risky. You will risk losing muscle and a lot of the explosiveness that made him what he is.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Aldon smith at OLB? He was a 4-3 DE in college.

He didn't have to drop his playing weight to transition.

Like I said before, if Thomas can do it without dropping his weight, then go for it. But if you want him to shed 20-25 pounds to play LEO because you don't think he is fast enough to get around a tackle, then that would be way too risky. You will risk losing muscle and a lot of the explosiveness that made him what he is.

So is it dropping weight or gaining it that bothers you? I don't think he has to lose 20lbs to be more explosive cause he's already got that going for him. Brook/Smith/Lynch all played around 265-270 as our edge rushers. I got no problem moving Thomas around to create mismatches on a weekly basis...still think he's best as a interior guy constantly being in nickle makes him even more valuable.

Originally posted by genus49:

Did you seriously say that with a straight face? Strongest part of our team?

Last I checked we were one of the worst run defenses in the history of the sport. Last I checked our pass rush was awful. How the hell can you say the DL was the strongest part of our team? It has the most early first round picks invested on it...doesn't mean it's the strongest part of our team. If anything the safety position is the strongest part of our team.

I didn't say the Dline was the strongest part. I said LDE.

Get a NT. Get better play from our historically bad linebackers (Nick Bellore? Seriously) throw in a stud SS who is great at shutting down the run. It's not all on the Dline.

If you think Tartt and walk year player Reid make a strong safety core then I guess there is no sense in arguing with you.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Oh god, I don't think I can genus vs hitman on this board.

lol, this is a much more active forum, we won't go to the same lengths here. Just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by genus49:
Did you seriously say that with a straight face? Strongest part of our team?

Last I checked we were one of the worst run defenses in the history of the sport. Last I checked our pass rush was awful. How the hell can you say the DL was the strongest part of our team? It has the most early first round picks invested on it...doesn't mean it's the strongest part of our team. If anything the safety position is the strongest part of our team.

I didn't say the Dline was the strongest part. I said LDE.

Get a NT. Get better play from our historically bad linebackers (Nick Bellore? Seriously) throw in a stud SS who is great at shutting down the run. It's not all on the Dline.

If you think Tartt and walk year player Reid make a strong safety core then I guess there is no sense in arguing with you.

So, considering only one team has ever valued a safety as a top 3 pick in the past 35+ years or if we are going to invest it in a NT, are you saying we'd be better off with Reuben Foster at #2 than Thomas? Personally, I could go either way, but I also have a hard time valuing a #2 pick at LB - even the great P Willis wouldn't be valued that high. Why? Because even a great player like Willis didn't affect the game as much as a great pass rusher, QB, or Pass rush/Run D stuffer. There's a reason the top 3 picks are usually QB's, T's and D-lineman.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I didn't say the Dline was the strongest part. I said LDE.

Get a NT. Get better play from our historically bad linebackers (Nick Bellore? Seriously) throw in a stud SS who is great at shutting down the run. It's not all on the Dline.

If you think Tartt and walk year player Reid make a strong safety core then I guess there is no sense in arguing with you.

But at one point you agreed that Thomas can play all over the line right? I know somewhere you agree with that...so why disregard a player who can be moved around to take better advantage of the other team's weaknesses?

I think we can agree that a pass rushing/run stopping defensive lineman is a plus for any team right? A guy like Thomas let's the coaches get really creative. The sport is beyond "line up these 4 guys and have them do their thing" it's mismatches, it's moving things around, confusing the offense, etc.

Thomas still has room to grow as a player but he's shown ability to do things like a seasoned vet. He's got crazy potential and his floor is pretty darn high as well.

Originally posted by genus49:
So you think Shanahan's system won't help our offensive players be better than they were before?

So why did we hire him?

Not to magically turn Aldon Robinson into Julio Jones. We hired him because with the pieces he can run a top rated offense.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I didn't say the Dline was the strongest part. I said LDE.

Get a NT. Get better play from our historically bad linebackers (Nick Bellore? Seriously) throw in a stud SS who is great at shutting down the run. It's not all on the Dline.

If you think Tartt and walk year player Reid make a strong safety core then I guess there is no sense in arguing with you.

So now it's a SS that's needed...how about we get a guy who can help shut down that running game in the front making things easier for our LB/SS? Chanceller wasn't some stud in college he was a 5th rd pick. Everyone is trying so hard to fit 1st rd picks with Seattle players that were mid-rd prospects coming out of college. Maybe the system makes these guys better? Maybe you can find a solid SS that fits the "mold" of a 5th rd Chanceller like...

Obi Melifonwu
Josh Jones
Justin Evans
Tedric Thompson etc...

I don't think Reid is a horrible option at SS either.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
So you think Shanahan's system won't help our offensive players be better than they were before?

So why did we hire him?

Not to magically turn Aldon Robinson into Julio Jones. We hired him because with the pieces he can run a top rated offense.

I think any NFL OC can run a top rated offense with the "right" players