Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:

No

Okay so he played linebacker in college. Is playing LB right now... But because what his brother is a great DL that means he is a DL as well? That is not how it works. You dont just get to change his position because it helps fit the narrative you have built.

If he would have been on a 4-3 team in the NFL, he would have been a defensive end. That is how it works over 90 percent of the time. Most OLBs on 3-4 teams would be defensive ends on 4-3 teams.

So, yes, it does work like that.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:
No

Okay so he played linebacker in college. Is playing LB right now... But because what his brother is a great DL that means he is a DL as well? That is not how it works. You dont just get to change his position because it helps fit the narrative you have built.

If he would have been on a 4-3 team in the NFL, he would have been a defensive end. That is how it works over 90 percent of the time. Most OLBs on 3-4 teams would be defensive ends on 4-3 teams.

So, yes, it does work like that.

Stop just take the L and move on.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:

No

Okay so he played linebacker in college. Is playing LB right now... But because what his brother is a great DL that means he is a DL as well? That is not how it works. You dont just get to change his position because it helps fit the narrative you have built.

If he would have been on a 4-3 team in the NFL, he would have been a defensive end. That is how it works over 90 percent of the time. Most OLBs on 3-4 teams would be defensive ends on 4-3 teams.

So, yes, it does work like that.

Stop just take the L and move on.

Wisconsin plays a 3-4. So of course he was a LB. On the 49ers he would be a DE. Julius Peppers has played LB and DE depending the team he was on.

Do you know how simple stuff like that works?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

This. I can't fathom drafting a defender that can't play 3 downs being drafted at 9. Roquan Smith at 9 and Jeff Holland in the 2nd for pass rush help. We messed up last year by not taking Lawson. I just don't see the value in Landry in the 1st unless he's playing DL/Elephant.

I wouldnt mind Roquan either but this defense will not make the next leap without a serious pass rush. If they elect to draft Landry I would be good with it. Also to be honest elite pass rushers (assuming thats what Landry becomes) are not paid to stop the run. Your making way too big of a deal out of playing 3 downs. Aldon Smith was a part time player his first year and had an amazing impact on the defense.

Very true. But Justin Smith and RayMac were also playing out of their mind. I still think the combo of Smith/Holland (who can also rush on 3rd down ) is greater than Landry/and anyone else.

Landry has the missing ingredient for our D, but do you think the value is there at 9? Add in the "Froster" issues and I'd consider linebacker a weakness. Too bad we couldn't get both without using A LOT of draft capital.

Hmmmmm let me get back to you on that Im not real familiar with Holland but I read he is a round 3-4 type guy. Easier to find traditional LBs than good pass rushers so if Landry can be good/great in that area I think you take him early. But what do we know Lynch may have vastly different thoughts. Will be interesting. I just hope they dont pick some raw guy ala Armstead.

Originally posted by pd24:
Wisconsin plays a 3-4. So of course he was a LB. On the 49ers he would be a DE. Julius Peppers has played LB and DE depending the team he was on.

Do you know how simple stuff like that works?

Get back to me when TJ Watt starts playing DE until then he is a LB.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:

Wisconsin plays a 3-4. So of course he was a LB. On the 49ers he would be a DE. Julius Peppers has played LB and DE depending the team he was on.

Do you know how simple stuff like that works?

Get back to me when TJ Watt starts playing DE until then he is a LB.

Not the point. Every draft analysis on him was 3-4 OLB or 4-3 end.

Lol. Get back to me when he is playing DE.

He won't on that team. Take that L son.

Even Ahmed Brooks was switched to end a little while here. Aldon Smith was a DE with Oakland.

Many more examples.

Eat the L like Jamis Winston eats W's.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by jreff22:

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

Huh? Cliff Avril Is 6-3 252 and was their starting LEO for yrs in Seattle. In 2016 he has more snaps than anyone on that DL.

It's not going to happen.

Solid rebuttal

Probably wouldn't help to ask how much Yanick Ngakoue weighs... . For that matter, Reed and McKinley from Atlanta both weigh about 250, as well.

jreff, man, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe Landry would play SAM for the 49ers and move to DE in subs, but he's well w/in the weight range to play LEO. His average arm length would likely be more of a hindrance at SAM, where he'd be expected to set the classic rush edge more frequently (albeit against a TE much of the time).

He's damn near the same size as Eli.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/eli-harold?id=2552494

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/HAROLD-LANDRY?id=2559923

And Seattle liked Eli as a possible LEO during the draft process.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky

And Saleh has him at SAM.

With all the talk about stopping the run, why would we drop Landry into a full time role at DE? None of our actual DE's are under 270. Keeping Solly at LEO on run downs and then moving Landry to LEO on passing downs makes the most sense.

And Lynch and Shanahan both said they will try Eli at LEO in TC this year...

And we tried AA there last year. Throwing s**t at the wall...

This is Eli's last year under contract. Drafting Harold and letting him take over the SAM makes sense if we let Eli go.

We still need somebody to play the other DE on passing downs long term. So the idea of drafting a true LEO is still there for next year.

Okay dude, you continue to do you. Obviously, you know better than 3 other teams running this defense and the 49ers coach/GM, plus several posters here. Fact is, he ways the same or more as the starting LEOs for the other teams in the same defense. If he is drafted by the 49ers, he might play SAM, or he might play LEO. Shoot, he might play both, I don't know. It's silly, stubborn, and embarrassing for you to pretend that you DO know, one way or another. Let it go.

You're literally doing the same thing. You know better than all the evaluators that say he's suited to be a linebacker? Because a few of you agree my opinion is silly and I'm wrong?

LOL, you literally stated that he was too small to play LEO. Literally every team that uses the LEO position has a guy playing that spot that is his size or lighter. THAT is silly.

Being that we just kept a 275lb kid at that spot all year and Saleh stressed run D...sure let's swap Solly out with Landry. I'm sure we won't have any drop off in run defense.

Read Landry's scouting reports and you will see 3-4 and situational pass rusher listed more often than not.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I dunno my webzone braddahs, I have a strong feeling that Landry will be our pick.

It sure looks that way, and even better if we trade down a spot or a couple and get some extra draft picks and *still* get Landry. That would be ideal.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Being that we just kept a 275lb kid at that spot all year and Saleh stressed run D...sure let's swap Solly out with Landry. I'm sure we won't have any drop off in run defense.

Read Landry's scouting reports and you will see 3-4 and situational pass rusher listed more often than not.

Once again go look at the systems that saleh came from...Avril/yannick/Clemons/Irvin all played LEO at one pt and we're all in that 6-2 6-3 250ish size. Go read Donte Fowler's nfl.com scouting report they said he's best as a 3-4 outside LB. he's only like 5 lbs bigger. Same with Vic Beasley in his nfl.com scouting report (best fit 3-4 OLB).

Mike Mayock was comping him to a better yannick coming out of college. THATS WHAT WE NEED.

You can have a 270 LEO if they have the speed/pass rush ability of the edge for it, AA most certainly doesn't and Solly doesn't have the length or crazy bend for a full-time role outside there. He's a interior guy and always was in pass rush situations.

Now, if you just don't like Landry just say it lol, don't make up false narratives about him not being a fit cause it's simply not true in that regard.

dude can play SAM and push down to LEO on passing situations, plain and simple.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Being that we just kept a 275lb kid at that spot all year and Saleh stressed run D...sure let's swap Solly out with Landry. I'm sure we won't have any drop off in run defense.

Read Landry's scouting reports and you will see 3-4 and situational pass rusher listed more often than not.

And where did our d finish? Now look at Jax's run d and where they finished with a relentless pass rush.

It's a passing league.

The focus needs to be getting some Yannick's and Fowler's.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

Huh? Cliff Avril Is 6-3 252 and was their starting LEO for yrs in Seattle. In 2016 he has more snaps than anyone on that DL.

It's not going to happen.

Solid rebuttal

Probably wouldn't help to ask how much Yanick Ngakoue weighs... . For that matter, Reed and McKinley from Atlanta both weigh about 250, as well.

jreff, man, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe Landry would play SAM for the 49ers and move to DE in subs, but he's well w/in the weight range to play LEO. His average arm length would likely be more of a hindrance at SAM, where he'd be expected to set the classic rush edge more frequently (albeit against a TE much of the time).

He's damn near the same size as Eli.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/eli-harold?id=2552494

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/HAROLD-LANDRY?id=2559923

And Seattle liked Eli as a possible LEO during the draft process.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky

And Saleh has him at SAM.

With all the talk about stopping the run, why would we drop Landry into a full time role at DE? None of our actual DE's are under 270. Keeping Solly at LEO on run downs and then moving Landry to LEO on passing downs makes the most sense.

And Lynch and Shanahan both said they will try Eli at LEO in TC this year...

And we tried AA there last year. Throwing s**t at the wall...

This is Eli's last year under contract. Drafting Harold and letting him take over the SAM makes sense if we let Eli go.

We still need somebody to play the other DE on passing downs long term. So the idea of drafting a true LEO is still there for next year.

Okay dude, you continue to do you. Obviously, you know better than 3 other teams running this defense and the 49ers coach/GM, plus several posters here. Fact is, he ways the same or more as the starting LEOs for the other teams in the same defense. If he is drafted by the 49ers, he might play SAM, or he might play LEO. Shoot, he might play both, I don't know. It's silly, stubborn, and embarrassing for you to pretend that you DO know, one way or another. Let it go.

You're literally doing the same thing. You know better than all the evaluators that say he's suited to be a linebacker? Because a few of you agree my opinion is silly and I'm wrong?

LOL, you literally stated that he was too small to play LEO. Literally every team that uses the LEO position has a guy playing that spot that is his size or lighter. THAT is silly.

Being that we just kept a 275lb kid at that spot all year and Saleh stressed run D...sure let's swap Solly out with Landry. I'm sure we won't have any drop off in run defense.

Read Landry's scouting reports and you will see 3-4 and situational pass rusher listed more often than not.

Being that the only guy they drafted to play LEO and NOT kick down inside on passing downs was Pita Taumoepenu, who weighed 243 at the combine, I really don't see your point. Maybe they didn't know what they want/need at the position, and they were in desperate need of someone to tell them he was too small?

The 3-4 OLB/4-3 DE thing appears to be an obstacle to understanding, but that conversion is the exact reason why the draft reports you seem to love often list a guy as DE/OLB or EDGE. Shoot, Saleh himself, THIS SEASON, even stated that they often classify BOTH the SAM and LEO positions as OLBs, because at the heart of their personnel approach, they view the 4-3 under defense as a 4-3 scheme using 3-4 personnel, meaning that the 3T and the big end are similar to 3-4 DEs, and the SAM and LEO are physically equivalent to 3-4 OLBs.

But, you know, I bet some online draft guys know more about our defense than the guy running it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Being that we just kept a 275lb kid at that spot all year and Saleh stressed run D...sure let's swap Solly out with Landry. I'm sure we won't have any drop off in run defense.

Read Landry's scouting reports and you will see 3-4 and situational pass rusher listed more often than not.

Once again go look at the systems that saleh came from...Avril/yannick/Clemons/Irvin all played LEO at one pt and we're all in that 6-2 6-3 250ish size. Go read Donte Fowler's nfl.com scouting report they said he's best as a 3-4 outside LB. he's only like 5 lbs bigger. Same with Vic Beasley in his nfl.com scouting report (best fit 3-4 OLB).

Mike Mayock was comping him to a better yannick coming out of college. THATS WHAT WE NEED.

You can have a 270 LEO if they have the speed/pass rush ability of the edge for it, AA most certainly doesn't and Solly doesn't have the length or crazy bend for a full-time role outside there. He's a interior guy and always was in pass rush situations.

Now, if you just don't like Landry just say it lol, don't make up false narratives about him not being a fit cause it's simply not true in that regard.

dude can play SAM and push down to LEO on passing situations, plain and simple.

That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
That's literally what I've been saying he will have to do.

SO what are you even complaining about? We have our base LEO in Solly and our pass rushing LEO in Landry who can play SAM in base

You've said he wasn't big enough to play LEO, which is completely false and I've provided many LEO rushers and their size to back that up. Go look at the Jaguars/ATL players and scheme that's what we will be doing. He fits the mold man.

Now if you just don't think he's a good pass rusher then might as well just say that

I said he's not big enough to be a 3 down LEO, we will see a drop off in run support.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Only he is actually big enough to play LEO full time and I've given you plenty of examples to prove it. IF you're purely going off size, which you are, then you're wrong.

Avril/Clemons/Irvin/Reed/Yannick we all starting LEOs at some point in the same systems.