McShay and Kiper on 2017 QB's

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by FutureGM:

It's being way overblown. Mitch tribisky is playing better than any quarterback over the past few years. Jake browning is playing great as well. Luke falk is also playing at a high level. Woodside from Toledo is ballin too. It must be a script they have to follow or they don't know how to watch tape. This year QB class as well as next years is deeper than its being portrayed. Smh

I don't necessarily agree this is a great draft class, but the doom and gloom is laughable. More pressure has been put on QBs to perform great and right away. Top 5 QBs taken in the following years:

1986
Jim Everett, 3rd overall pick, a decent but mediocre career
Chuck Long, 12th pick, bad career
Jake Trudeau, 47th pick, bad career
Bubby Brister, 67th pick, forgettable career
Hugh Millen 71st pick, forgettable career

1991
Dan McGwire, 16th pick, basically no career
Todd Marinovich, 24th pick, do i really need to describe his career?
Brett Favre, 33rd pick, hall of famer
Browning Nagle, 34th pick, basically no career
Scott Zolak, 84th pick, basically no career

1996
Tony Banks, 42nd pick, forgettable career
Bobby Hoying, 85th pick, basically no career
Jeff Lewis, 100th pick, no career
Danny Kanell, 130th pick, forgettable career
Spence Fisher, 203rd pick, doesn't even have a wiki page!

2001
Vick, 1st overall, great talent but never became a great passing QB
Brees, 32nd, HOF
Quincy Carter, 53rd, I enjoyed laughing at him
Marques Tuiasopo, 59th, did he ever play?
Chris Weinke, 106th, bad career

2006
Vince Young, 3rd overall, he likes the syrup
Matt Leinart, 10th overall, bad career
Jay Cutler, 11th overall, I dont know, you decide if he was worth it
Kellen Clemens, forgettable career
Tarvaris Jackson, 64th, bad career

2011
Cam Newton, 1st overall, franchise guy
Jake Locker, 8th overall, to this day I don't understand how he was drafted top 10
Blaine Gabbert, 11th overall, leading the 49ers to Super Bowls....in your Madden game
Christian Ponder, 12th overall, leading the 49rs to its consecutive Super Bowl.....on the next year of your Madden Franchise
Andy Dalton, 35th, decent career but big question mark on him winning a damn playoff game. Still a better career than all the other 5th drafted QBs above

2016
Jared Goff, 1st overall, enjoying the show from the bench, unknown
Carson Wentz, 2nd overall, killing it as a rookie
Paxton Lynch, 26th overall, enjoying the view from the bench, an unknown
Christian Hackenberg, 51st overall, an unknown
Jacoby Brissett 91st overall, looked okay until he got hurt, an unknown



So yeah, I don't see anything in the historical backing up that QBs in the 80's or 90's are so much better than the guys now.

Is Hugh Millan or Scott Zolak really a more impressive prospect than Dalton or Brissett were?

Or was Everett that much better out of college than Wentz? Everett started off pretty ugly

IMO falk and tribisky are better than Winston and Goff, and those two were highly touted coming out of college. I'm not into the comparing old players to new school players because it's a different game and I'm only 23 so I didn't watch many of those guys you were naming. But I would say these QBs are getting better. Especially because many NFL teams including ours run a lot of shotgun and spread offense as well as some pistol formation being in many teams play books.

Once Falk learns a pro style offense I think he could have great success. He already has the tools in terms of accuracy and mechanics. Same goes for Tribusky.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Once Falk learns a pro style offense I think he could have great success. He already has the tools in terms of accuracy and mechanics. Same goes for Tribusky.

I like Falk a lot....he has all the things you can't learn and seems smart enough to learn the rest. You can't teach accuracy.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I like Falk a lot....he has all the things you can't learn and seems smart enough to learn the rest. You can't teach accuracy.

Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

I like Falk a lot....he has all the things you can't learn and seems smart enough to learn the rest. You can't teach accuracy.

Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

See the problem you're having is that falk can make all the throws needed to succeed at the next level. Has a quick release (reminds me of tom Brady's release) and has a very strong arm with size and decent speed. You can't just name guys because stats seem to replicate each other. none of those guys you named are on falks level lol

Originally posted by FutureGM:
See the problem you're having is that falk can make all the throws needed to succeed at the next level. Has a quick release (reminds me of tom Brady's release) and has a very strong arm with size and decent speed. You can't just name guys because stats seem to replicate each other. none of those guys you named are on falks level lol

Reminds you of Tom Brady??? Come on you are on a 49ers forum. If you are going to compare him to an all time great you use Joe Montana.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by FutureGM:

See the problem you're having is that falk can make all the throws needed to succeed at the next level. Has a quick release (reminds me of tom Brady's release) and has a very strong arm with size and decent speed. You can't just name guys because stats seem to replicate each other. none of those guys you named are on falks level lol

Reminds you of Tom Brady??? Come on you are on a 49ers forum. If you are going to compare him to an all time great you use Joe Montana.

Hahaha calm down buddy joe cool is the best QB of all time can't be throwin his name around like that! Lol all jokes aside I said his release reminds me of Brady not his play.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by FutureGM:
See the problem you're having is that falk can make all the throws needed to succeed at the next level. Has a quick release (reminds me of tom Brady's release) and has a very strong arm with size and decent speed. You can't just name guys because stats seem to replicate each other. none of those guys you named are on falks level lol

Reminds you of Tom Brady??? Come on you are on a 49ers forum. If you are going to compare him to an all time great you use Joe Montana.

He reminds me of Brady as well.

Now please calm down, I'm not saying he is Brady.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

You have a point, but regardless, Falk and Tribusky have a high completion %, can make all the throws and have good pocket presence.

Don't think Kizer and Watson are just going to magically become accurate in the NFL.

Oh, and the jury is still out on Goff...

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

You have a point, but regardless, Falk and Tribusky have a high completion %, can make all the throws and have good pocket presence.

Don't think Kizer and Watson are just going to magically become accurate in the NFL.

Oh, and the jury is still out on Goff...

I am just saying air raid offenses are made to make QBs looks great & all the quotes saying how great Falk is at running the offense wont chance the fact that there is a reason those QBs have a hard time translating to the NFL. Not that Jeff Fisher is the best guy to be developing a QB, but they keep saying Goff isn't getting the offense. We really need to hit on this next QB and i just think the risk to high on these type QBs. But hey that is just my opinion. I wouldn't mind Tribusky, but he will probably go to high if 49ers go Myles Garrett 1st.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

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Without a QB youre not winning anything and youre not finding one in FA. The later you go in the draft the worse the odds of finding one get.

They'll need to figure out which guy they like best and make the leap. Hopefully they choose well.

This. All of this find a QB later stuff is going to turn us into the 2008 - 2010 49ers. Unless they intend on trading away a draft in the future to get high enough to snag a QB once we assemble all this "talent."

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

I like Falk a lot....he has all the things you can't learn and seems smart enough to learn the rest. You can't teach accuracy.

Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

We saw this a few decades ago with the run and shoot at the college level. For everyone who brings up how the air raid has elements of the wco in it, it has the same if not more elements of the run and shoot in it. Hell Hal Mumme was June Jones's passing game coordinator at SMU for a season.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Almost all the guys who run that system end up with high completion percentages. It never translates to the NFL. Johnny Manziel has a career 68% completion percentage (10th all time). Case Keenum completed 69% of his passes (6th all time). Graham Harrell had a 69% completion percentage (4th all time). It also got Jared Goff drafted #1 overall, currently has Davis Webb at 27 TDs - 7 INTs and has Patrick Mahomes completing 68% of his passes (26 TDs - 6 INTs).

You have a point, but regardless, Falk and Tribusky have a high completion %, can make all the throws and have good pocket presence.

Don't think Kizer and Watson are just going to magically become accurate in the NFL.

Oh, and the jury is still out on Goff...

The air raid doesn't have that many NFL type throws in the system... that said I love Falk. Would need a few years to develop but he has some skills that can be worked with. I have no desire to draft a one year wonder like the UNC qb.

From all these positive things (good pocket presence, accurate, quick release, smart, etc.) I'm reading in here about this Falk cat, makes me want to jump on the wagon...

Originally posted by LVJay:

From all these positive things (good pocket presence, accurate, quick release, smart, etc.) I'm reading in here about this Falk cat, makes me want to jump on the wagon...

Hell yea, I've got a foot on it

Just glad we are going to have a few nice options come draft time