McShay and Kiper on 2017 QB's

Originally posted by Heroism:

they're right. this QB class is terrible. there's nobody that truly warrants a top 5 pick.

I disagree. When you say QB class, this class is better than last to me. Last year it was just Goff, Wentz and Dak that I thought was any good. This class has Kizer, Watson, Trubinski, Falk, and Mahomes. That's not including Kaaya and Kelly who will both be drafted early, but I don't like either. I'm even forgetting Mayfield, Mason Rudolph and Davis Webb

I like Kelly in the third for sf.

Luke falk is a guy that no one is talking about and he seems to have all the tools to succeed in the NFL. There are multiple QBs in this draft as well as next years draft that could be special. Try not to pay attention to those two guys and go watch some film yourself. QB play is going to get better within these next few years IMHO. Guys are starting to develope there game to prepare themselves for the NFL as well as teams running a more "Pro style offense". Davis Webb can throw the ball down field he's a guy to watch. A few others that I'll name in the near future.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=17877440


QB discussion starts around 5:30 mark.



Not very enthused about the potential crop of QB's. . McShay says this is about as bad of a QB class as he can remember.



Said that Mitch Trubisky is the only QB he's received constant positive feedback about from scouts and that he's the only QB that has exceeded expectations this year. Still has to watch tape on him.



-Kaaya-Good player, has developed some bad habits due to pass protection issues, has a lot of question marks, lacks arm strength and mobility.




-Watson-Questions about consistent accuracy in the intermediate to deep area. Size is adequate, great temperament, tough, accuracy questions remain.




Said that they don't see any quarterbacks in college football over the next few years that scream top draft pick, shortage of quality QB's, lots of flawed players, lack of preparation for the NFL.


Lack of QB talent is bordering on crisis, more important than ever for QB to end up on the right team/system. QB's starting at a very young age are handled with kid gloves, don't develop necessary mental toughness.

His accuracy must be very questionable given that you mentioned this issue twice in the same sentence.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/dak-prescott?id=2555260

Now this is really off..

At what point is it really off?

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
I like Mcshay but Kiper can go, Mayock is best tho.

Agreed

I hate Kiper for his little knowledge.

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by Heroism:
they're right. this QB class is terrible. there's nobody that truly warrants a top 5 pick.

That doesn't matter QB hungry teams like the niners will reach to get what they hope is their franchise QB..I wonder what their point of view was on Wentz or Prescott last year who are so far playing great..

Exactly.

Well, there we have it, it teaches Baalke/9ers a valuable lesson.

If we had drafted QBs all along like say what the Pats did in recent years with Garoppolo and Bisset, there might have been a chance we could have got lucky with some QB pick in avoiding us to use some top 1st round pick on a QB prospect. But, we didn't.

And does anyone remember what did the Eagles say when they traded the entire farm away to go up to get Carson Wentz last year? Well, what they clearly said was they looked into the 2017 QB class and realized it was way worse than 2016 which was why they then decided to pull the trigger on Wentz.

So, as you can see, if you are a sh*t GM with no sense of foresight and ahead planning, this is exactly what happens to you as in like now we will be left with no choice but to take whatever QB prospect there is, reaching or not cos we are simply way beyond desperate now.

Mayock is great. He's never cocky about his opinion. I remember him saying Wentz willl be great - Needs right staff and how much he grows is up to him. I know that's very vague and said in a way where it's hard to be wrong, but his overall opinion was spot on. He wasn't nearly as crazy about Goff.

There's always a good qb to be had. Just have to get lucky.

The reality is for years, QBs were over drafted and will continue to be overdrafted because of the value of the position.

I don't project anything as bad as that 2011 draft with Ponder, Locker, and Gabbert however. Ideally, I'd like to grab an elite pass rusher and one of the top QB prospects. We'll see where guys are ranked as we get close to May.

They are right. And usually the scouts do a good job too. The issue is these GMs know that QB is the most important position and their jobs likely depend on getting a QB so they reach for these guys because they know the guy they want wont be there in the next round.

Originally posted by FutureGM:

Luke falk is a guy that no one is talking about and he seems to have all the tools to succeed in the NFL. There are multiple QBs in this draft as well as next years draft that could be special. Try not to pay attention to those two guys and go watch some film yourself. QB play is going to get better within these next few years IMHO. Guys are starting to develope there game to prepare themselves for the NFL as well as teams running a more "Pro style offense". Davis Webb can throw the ball down field he's a guy to watch. A few others that I'll name in the near future.

There are a few around here that have been in on Luke Falk. I am a Coug fan and watch most of their games.

He isn't a dual threat type QB but is highly accurate, smart, tough and a good leader. Takes too many hits, needs to learn to duck or get down.

I can't say with authority that he should go in this round or that. But he passes the eyeball test IMO and would look good in red and gold. Hopefully we can get him after Garrett

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by valrod33:

We need a QB so of course the QB class in the draft sucks

they said the same thing in '05

there was that one dude named Rodgers who we coulda grabbed

I can't exactly recall that far back what they were saying about the class, but I think the comment was it was that there was not much after Rodgers and Smith. But to be fair, Smith and Rodgers were miles ahead of the current class -- at least based on what the current prospects have done so far.

The only prospect that I like much at the moment is Trubisky, but even he has some things I'm concerned about.

As long as we draft a QB who doesn't run first. And can throw accurate, we can hopefully work with him.

Originally posted by communist:
His accuracy must be very questionable given that you mentioned this issue twice in the same sentence.

Sorry, I was transcribing from the actual podcast, they repeated it multiple times.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I disagree. When you say QB class, this class is better than last to me. Last year it was just Goff, Wentz and Dak that I thought was any good. This class has Kizer, Watson, Trubinski, Falk, and Mahomes. That's not including Kaaya and Kelly who will both be drafted early, but I don't like either. I'm even forgetting Mayfield, Mason Rudolph and Davis Webb

Don't forget that last year you also had Paxton Lynch and there's a bunch of Paxton Lynch type guys in this draft where you're like "physically they've got the ability" but they have been too up and down for you to be sure that they will ever be able to put it together.

McShay and Kiper get carried away with the "get off my lawn" old man rhetoric like DonnieDarko said but ultimately its a very iffy QB class. You don't have an Andrew Luck or a Jameis Winston, a Marcus Mariota or any one like that.


Watson was supposed to be the hands down, no doubt about it #1 QB but his performance this year has created more questions than answers. He hasn't really stepped up and performed like he was expected to.

Kizer is still a top notch talent but he's been up and down and all over the place, hasn't had any consistency whatsoever and his accuracy has suffered, even when you consider the talent that Notre Dame lost.

Kaaya has just continually confirmed how limited he is and how crucial it will be for him to wind up in the right situation in the NFL, in a role with a quality team where he can game manage.

Trubisky is really exciting, he seems to be a complete quarterback but he's also pretty inexperienced, is he the real deal or is this just a mirage. If Watson had been able to come out last year, off his sophomore performance I think he would have been the easy pick at #1, but a year later and he has tumbled a bit, has raised questions about his accuracy and consistency. So with Trubisky its going to be a tough decision as you're going to be largely betting on potential and that he can continue to perform at that level and beyond.

Falk has the potential of being the best QB in the class due to his work ethic and determination or he could completely flop. All in all I think he's a pretty sound QB but there are concerns, he's had a couple concussions, he's taken some beatings, he's a tough guy but those are definitely issues that teams will want to look into further.


Mahomes has the most physical talent of anyone in the group of draft eligible QB's, he has the athleticism, the arm strength, he's pretty elusive and shows good instincts as a playmaker but in terms of his mechanics he's going to be a project and there's no telling how long he might take to develop. I don't know how much leeway they give him in that offense in terms of checking out of plays compared to guys like Goff last year and Falk this year whose coaches gave them a lot of freedom to freestyle and change things up on offense.




Its tough sledding, some teams are going to get lucky and hit a homerun and several others are going to whiff badly.