Mitch "Mr Biscuit" Trubisky-QB-North Carolina | Page 188

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A QB worth keeping an eye on throughout the season. This is his first year as a starter and he is leading in several passing categories, has largely looked pretty good this season including a terrific comeback win against Pitt. He comes with decent size at 6'3", has added some bulk during his time at North Carolina and also has the athleticism to take off and run with the football if needed. He has thrown 203 consecutive passes without an interception, the longest current streak in the nation. The offense that North Carolina runs is quite similar to Chip Kelly's offense, its a frantic, one-back up-tempo spread offense that utilizes the no huddle a lot. I'll take the Tar Heels entire WR group as well, incredibly well coached group, excellent route runners with outstanding hands(1 drop all season long). Ryan Switzer is one to watch for sure. That has definitely helped Trubisky out but he's made some really excellent throws at times, beating coverage, making timely decisions and with good ball placement on his passes. https://vine.co/v/5rjQ2h2Vvrl http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/94971/north-carolina-qb-mitch-trubisky-proving-hes-among-nations-elite CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- They had noticed the fans leaving after Pitt drilled a field goal to run its fourth-quarter lead to 13, but now, as North Carolina drove toward the end zone in the game's final minutes with a chance to pull out a win, the crowd seemed impossibly loud. Bug Howard was sore, having fought off physical defenders all game. Mack Hollins was just a spectator, an injury forcing him to the sideline. Ryan Switzer was so exhausted he compared the drive to an out-of-body experience. Their quarterback though? Mitch Trubisky was cool as a cucumber. "There was not one time when we thought he was nervous or we thought the stage was too big for him," Switzer said. "He was even-keeled the entire time. I think I even got a smile out of him." What's not to smile about? Trubisky is riding high after four games and, with apologies to that guy getting all the headlines at Louisville, he might be the country's hottest quarterback. Let's start with that game-winning drive. North Carolina needed 17 gut-wrenching plays to march 63 yards. It wasn't a thing of beauty. It was a deliberate, gritty, physical performance. On the drive, Trubisky completed three different throws on fourth-and-6 or longer, converting all for a first down. That's an insane statistic, really. Over the past 10 years, only one other Power 5 quarterback has converted more fourth-down throws in the fourth quarter of a one possession game in an entire career. "I wasn't really thinking about it," Trubisky said. "Just thinking about getting the first down, knowing the situation, trying to communicate. We just made it happen." That drive was Trubisky battling, but so much of the past three games have been easy. Trubisky started last week's contest by completing his first 12 throws, which ran his streak of consecutive completions to 30. That was a school record. Overall this season, he's completed 74.5 percent of his throws, second nationally, despite the fact that he has thrown more deep balls (passes of 20 yards or more in the air) than all but nine other Power 5 quarterbacks.

Feb 7, 2017 at 1:39 PM

#2806

PRIMETIME21
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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
I'm trying to mentally prepare myself to like him if we draft him. This is the least inspiring pick between the top 3 with watson being my top pick.

But his qualities does make for a great fit for a shanny offense, but I dont see a FQB in him.

Shanny needs a guy to be able to start soon...this guy is going to need a season or two just to get up to speed.

i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

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Feb 7, 2017 at 1:41 PM

#2807

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Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

I think we need to spend high and early on Defensive players in this draft. Our D isn't a couple of guys away from being good...it was historically bad.

Feb 7, 2017 at 2:35 PM

#2808

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

I think we need to spend high and early on Defensive players in this draft. Our D isn't a couple of guys away from being good...it was historically bad.

while i agree that we need defensive talent, but we also have been skipping offensive talent for what.. ten years now. Now we are in this mess.

We need to go QB and O talents hord

Feb 7, 2017 at 2:41 PM

#2809

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

I think we need to spend high and early on Defensive players in this draft. Our D isn't a couple of guys away from being good...it was historically bad.
while i agree that we need defensive talent, but we also have been skipping offensive talent for what.. ten years now. Now we are in this mess.

We need to go QB and O talents hord

Agreed. My fear is we build a good defense with no qb again. Stuck around the annual 8-8 but no real qb to take you over the top and no where high enough in a draft to draft one.

Feb 7, 2017 at 2:46 PM

#2810

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Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

I think we need to spend high and early on Defensive players in this draft. Our D isn't a couple of guys away from being good...it was historically bad.
while i agree that we need defensive talent, but we also have been skipping offensive talent for what.. ten years now. Now we are in this mess.

We need to go QB and O talents hord

Agreed. My fear is we build a good defense with no qb again. Stuck around the annual 8-8 but no real qb to take you over the top and no where high enough in a draft to draft one.

yeah , we already been through that route

Feb 7, 2017 at 3:00 PM

#2811

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We'll see how things develop, but at this point, my two draft crushes are Garrett and Trubisky. Unlike some other people here, I just don't like the idea of trading down, as it hasn't really panned out for the other teams who've tried it (Rams and Browns). We need a QB and trading down and hoping one of the guys lasts seems foolhardy to me. One or both of those two guys will be there at #2, and then we take him.

The only other option I see is if Kizer or Watson really impresses, but Trubisky seems like a great fit for Shanahan's scheme.

Feb 7, 2017 at 3:03 PM

#2812

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Bill Walsh Draft Philosophy...

5) Never take the one-year wonder and look forward; take the one-year wonder and look back." After Walsh was burned by a one-year wonder in the 1987 draft -- Clemson running back Terrence Flagler -- he became skeptical of limited track records. If a good coach was unable to get a player to produce before his final season with the program, how could he expect to get consistent effort at the NFL level?"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82857c66/article/bill-walshs-nfl-draft-philosophies-six-lessons-from-the-master

Feb 7, 2017 at 4:09 PM

#2813

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Originally posted by jcs:
Bill Walsh Draft Philosophy...

5) Never take the one-year wonder and look forward; take the one-year wonder and look back." After Walsh was burned by a one-year wonder in the 1987 draft -- Clemson running back Terrence Flagler -- he became skeptical of limited track records. If a good coach was unable to get a player to produce before his final season with the program, how could he expect to get consistent effort at the NFL level?"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82857c66/article/bill-walshs-nfl-draft-philosophies-six-lessons-from-the-master

I agree with that philosophy, but first you have to investigate why they were one-year wonders. Were they stuck on the bench behind an established starter, or were they not living up to their potential until their draft stock depended on it (Kentwan Balmer, former Tar Heel).

Trubisky was behind Marquise Williams for a couple years. Williams was not a great pro prospect, but he was a 4 star recruit out of HS and a 2x all-ACC pick. He was the established starter. Trubsiky probably was ready to play earlier, as a sophomore in spot duty he completed 40-47 (85%) , 6 TDs, 0 INTs.

I think Trubisky is a solid prospect with most all the physical tools you want, and should be considered at 2nd overall. Ideally you'd like a great prospect to be sitting there when you're picking that high. Trubisky is not on that level to me, but he appears to be the top guy in this class and could be a very good pro.

Feb 7, 2017 at 4:17 PM

#2814

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Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
i trust shanny i guess, i hope he seeing what we seeing pretty much and isn't fooled into picking him , there are better ways we can spend the number 2, leonard fournette would solidify our RB for the next 10+ years , he is legit and a competant replacement for gore. If we gonna go back to the WCO we need to be able to pound the rock.

a well-implemented ZBS doesn't need a first-round RB. imho, any solid o-line in the NFL doesn't require a first-round RB.

Feb 7, 2017 at 4:21 PM

#2815

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Originally posted by communist:
a well-implemented ZBS doesn't need a first-round RB. imho, any solid o-line in the NFL doesn't require a first-round RB.

I agree. Very few exceptions I would make for a 1st rd RB (Adrian Peterson, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette) etc..

Especially in a zone-blocking scheme, a Shanahan one at that, has consistently churned out 1,200 yard rushers with ease. Also don't need to spend high picks on physically dominant guards either.

Feb 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM

#2816

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Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by jcs:
Bill Walsh Draft Philosophy...

5) Never take the one-year wonder and look forward; take the one-year wonder and look back." After Walsh was burned by a one-year wonder in the 1987 draft -- Clemson running back Terrence Flagler -- he became skeptical of limited track records. If a good coach was unable to get a player to produce before his final season with the program, how could he expect to get consistent effort at the NFL level?"

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82857c66/article/bill-walshs-nfl-draft-philosophies-six-lessons-from-the-master

I agree with that philosophy, but first you have to investigate why they were one-year wonders. Were they stuck on the bench behind an established starter, or were they not living up to their potential until their draft stock depended on it (Kentwan Balmer, former Tar Heel).

Trubisky was behind Marquise Williams for a couple years. Williams was not a great pro prospect, but he was a 4 star recruit out of HS and a 2x all-ACC pick. He was the established starter. Trubsiky probably was ready to play earlier, as a sophomore in spot duty he completed 40-47 (85%) , 6 TDs, 0 INTs.

I think Trubisky is a solid prospect with most all the physical tools you want, and should be considered at 2nd overall. Ideally you'd like a great prospect to be sitting there when you're picking that high. Trubisky is not on that level to me, but he appears to be the top guy in this class and could be a very good pro.

Still waiting for the combine and pro days to grant him the top guy in this draft. Outside of that there are a few college defenders in the top half of the draft that have superstar potential all over them that shouldn't be ignored considering out bad our D is. Our Offense is not as bare as our D talent wise.

Feb 7, 2017 at 4:38 PM

#2817

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Originally posted by SofaKing:
I agree. Very few exceptions I would make for a 1st rd RB (Adrian Peterson, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette) etc..

Especially in a zone-blocking scheme, a Shanahan one at that, has consistently churned out 1,200 yard rushers with ease. Also don't need to spend high picks on physically dominant guards either.

I'll play devils advocate and say imagine what Fournette could do in his scheme.

Feb 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM

#2818

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Originally posted by jcs:
Still waiting for the combine and pro days to grant him the top guy in this draft. Outside of that there are a few college defenders in the top half of the draft that have superstar potential all over them that shouldn't be ignored considering out bad our D is. Our Offense is not as bare as our D talent wise.

Offensively we need a QB and playmakers at the skill positions badly. I would also agree its not set in stone that Trubisky is the top QB, but so far the scouting community has him pegged as the QB likely to hear his name called first.

I love the defensive talent in this draft, particularly in the Top 10 where we will be picking. Its definitely possible we take a defender at 2, or possibly even trade back and take a defender.

Feb 7, 2017 at 5:30 PM

#2819

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Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I agree. Very few exceptions I would make for a 1st rd RB (Adrian Peterson, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette) etc..

Especially in a zone-blocking scheme, a Shanahan one at that, has consistently churned out 1,200 yard rushers with ease. Also don't need to spend high picks on physically dominant guards either.

I'll play devils advocate and say imagine what Fournette could do in his scheme.

Oh, I bet he'd tear it up. He's going to be a great player wherever he ends up. The issue is the opportunity cost of taking him that high given all our other needs. We could take a high impact player at another position and still get excellent production from our running game with this scheme, whether its Hyde or someone else carrying the ball.

Feb 7, 2017 at 5:57 PM

#2820

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Here's my plan. If Kirk Cousins signs on another franchise tag then I load up on talent this season and draft a developmental QB. No way Cousins get franchised a 3rd time at 32 million. Cousins then hits free agency and is free to sign with anyone. I would bet the house the 49ers and Shanahan would be the favorites to land Cousins.