Christian McCaffrey--Stanford

Originally posted by lamontb:
He's going in the 2nd round regardless. Besides Fournette I'm not sure if any other RB goes in the 1st round.


So all the other games he showed up for don't count now? And there is no loyalty regarding money in the NFL.

People call the NFL the Not For Long league. What people typically remember about you is the last thing you do in this league...for McCaffery in college hoping to break into the league it's quitting on his college team. I think this move is going to effect him by rubbing a few GM's the wrong way.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
You think he could slip to the 2nd? He would be perfect backing up Hyde.

He's going in the 2nd round regardless. Besides Fournette I'm not sure if any other RB goes in the 1st round.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by lamontb:
One bowl game isn't pushing any rb's up or down the draft board.

It's the team player side that is concerning. It's about just showing up for one game to support your teamates. If he can't even do that then what's he going to do when he's in the NFL and loyalty has a stipulation of $$.

So all the other games he showed up for don't count now? And there is no loyalty regarding money in the NFL.

Re: the bolded

1) Cook is a lock to be in the 1st round, not accounting for injury.
2) Completely agree. Fans will fan-out on the "not a teammate", "no courage", "no loyalty" BS because that's what fans do. But if it was their money there is no chance they're playing in these games. The NCAA sucks the value out of these players for 3-4 years at essentially no cost and people have the audacity to say these high-character players should be dinged for making a family financial decision -- for the first time in their adult lives. I dunno, man.

Originally posted by lamontb:

He's going in the 2nd round regardless. Besides Fournette I'm not sure if any other RB goes in the 1st round.

Dalvin Cook can definitely (and likely will) go in the first round.

Other than those two I don't see a RB going round 1. McCaffrey has an outside shot but I see him going in the 2nd round

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by lamontb:
He's going in the 2nd round regardless. Besides Fournette I'm not sure if any other RB goes in the 1st round.


So all the other games he showed up for don't count now? And there is no loyalty regarding money in the NFL.

People call the NFL the Not For Long league. What people typically remember about you is the last thing you do in this league...for McCaffery in college hoping to break into the league it's quitting on his college team. I think this move is going to effect him by rubbing a few GM's the wrong way.

If a GM diminishes prospects who have statistics that compare with the all-time greats and have never had a character concern in the past for simply doing everything they can to prepare for their pro career -- that GM should re-evaluate his priorities.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Re: the bolded

1) Cook is a lock to be in the 1st round, not accounting for injury.
2) Completely agree. Fans will fan-out on the "not a teammate", "no courage", "no loyalty" BS because that's what fans do. But if it was their money there is no chance they're playing in these games. The NCAA sucks the value out of these players for 3-4 years at essentially no cost and people have the audacity to say these high-character players should be dinged for making a family financial decision -- for the first time in their adult lives. I dunno, man.

He's not doing this for his family...his dad is a former pro...he's doing this for himself. Could easily take out an insurance plan and play in this game.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Re: the bolded

1) Cook is a lock to be in the 1st round, not accounting for injury.
2) Completely agree. Fans will fan-out on the "not a teammate", "no courage", "no loyalty" BS because that's what fans do. But if it was their money there is no chance they're playing in these games. The NCAA sucks the value out of these players for 3-4 years at essentially no cost and people have the audacity to say these high-character players should be dinged for making a family financial decision -- for the first time in their adult lives. I dunno, man.

He's not doing this for his family...his dad is a former pro...he's doing this for himself. Could easily take out an insurance plan and play in this game.

And risk not being able to collect. It's just less risky to not play no matter the scenario.

The kid is sitting on all-time great numbers, a late 1st/early 2nd grade and he will knock it out of the park in his pre-draft interviews. No upside to playing in... the Sun Bowl.

Originally posted by okdkid:
And risk not being able to collect. It's just less risky to not play no matter the scenario.

The kid is sitting on all-time great numbers, a late 1st/early 2nd grade and he will knock it out of the park in his pre-draft interviews. No upside to playing in... the Sun Bowl.

agree to disagree...I think quitting on his team is a red flag....

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by okdkid:
And risk not being able to collect. It's just less risky to not play no matter the scenario.

The kid is sitting on all-time great numbers, a late 1st/early 2nd grade and he will knock it out of the park in his pre-draft interviews. No upside to playing in... the Sun Bowl.

agree to disagree...I think quitting on his team is a red flag....

Time will tell.

Originally posted by jcs:

agree to disagree...I think quitting on his team is a red flag....

Double standard? If the coach left for a promotion most of the time he's gone too. See Herman. McCaffrey declared and feels he's better off protecting his interests and preparing for his pro career. I don't blame him.

I think its a crappy thing to do his program and teammates, but its clearly the logically better choice for himself.

I don't like it, but its a business decision.

I think McCaffrey is better doing it than 95% of the rest of college though because of how many touches he has had in his career. I'd be a bit more annoyed if this was like his first year starting, saw his stock rise and then called it quits.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Looks like this could be the new norm.

Christian McCaffrey

Going into the draft they same way he played...selfish. Anyone who wastes a 1st round pick on him is going to see him struggle....his game is not going to translate well in the NFL where he will no longer be the fastest guy on the field.

I think that is a byproduct of being the son of an ex NFL player. Ed knows the league maximizes players but does not give the same back in return. College especially. They make so much money off these meaningless bowl games and refuse to do a true playoff.

Probably beginning of the end as players begin to act more like corporate america and be selfish trying to maximize their money as the game ends up taking the hit.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I think that is a byproduct of being the son of an ex NFL player. Ed knows the league maximizes players but does not give the same back in return. College especially. They make so much money off these meaningless bowl games and refuse to do a true playoff.

Probably beginning of the end as players begin to act more like corporate america and be selfish trying to maximize their money as the game ends up taking the hit.

Agree with you partly.

Football programs themselves may make money, but as a whole most athletic programs are not profitable (except the top 4-5 programs). But the main reason they aren't profitable is the skyrocketing salaries of coaches. And if you don't pay the coaches, your school sucks and players wont go there because they wont get to the NFL with sub-par coaching and development.

But when there are 75+ players on a team, they are already getting paid $20-60k in benefits, there isn't that much money to go around. Its like the EA lawsuit over NCAA football game, sure EA took advantage of players by not paying them, but there is only like what $100-$300 per player to go around?

If the NCAA paid players, you'd either have to cut coaches salaries in half or cut non-money making sports.

Personally I think more of a stipend is totally neccessary for the players.

Which brings me back to your statement, even if McCafferey is getting paid $10k to play in the bowl game, its still the better business decision to sit it out. The NCAA/STanford paying McCafferey more benefits wouldn't change the business side of the decision.

"I plan to practice today and prepare to play in the bowl game with my teammates," Garrett said in a statement released by Texas A&M. "You don't disgrace the game like that and say 'It's not worth my time and I'll be a first-round pick anyway,'" Garrett said then. "You play because you love it, not because you can make money from it."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/19/myles-garrett-bucks-trend-will-play-in-texas-bowl/

Originally posted by jcs:

"I plan to practice today and prepare to play in the bowl game with my teammates," Garrett said in a statement released by Texas A&M. "You don't disgrace the game like that and say 'It's not worth my time and I'll be a first-round pick anyway,'" Garrett said then. "You play because you love it, not because you can make money from it."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/19/myles-garrett-bucks-trend-will-play-in-texas-bowl/

Garrett should be our 1st pick I love his attitude already

This guys gonna be really good for the Patriots next year.