Rams deal is the best thing to happen for the niners!

Originally posted by KezarLivin:

Wonder how many times you're going to have to post these facts before they actually sink in?

People have this fantasy that just because a Brady comes along once every 20 years, that you can just pick any old quarterback and do this mysterious "developing" that will make him just as good as a guy picked 4 rounds earlier.


The reality is that QBs tend to go later in the draft because they are lacking crucial attributes and abilities that you need to be a top QB. You cant just "develop" those attributes and abilities. Most QBs picked after the 4th round will never take a single snap with the team that drafted them.


It is the most important position on the field by far and its funny how flippant people are about it.


"Oh they can get a QB later in the draft."

Which leads to looking for a QB the next year and then the year after until you get serious about the position and stop trying to win the QB draft lottery.

Originally posted by SFBuckeye:

That deal great for the Titans and great for the 49ers!

1. We are almost guareenteed a top defensive player at 7 now. Before probadly our only option at 7 would have been Buckner, now there's a chance Jack or Bosa falls to us. This also increases the value of our pick.

2. It's likely that 2 QBs going that high, 1 or both would be busts. Now Trent does not have to worry about a QB in round 1 he can focus on what he does best defense.

3. Even if the QB that the Rams take is good that's a lot of potential talent that will not be going on their roster the next 2 seasons. Whoever they take probadly won't even start til year 2.

4. We are sitting in the perfect spot to trade back with Tennesee so that they can get Stanley. Reports said they couldn't decide if Tunsil or Stanley was better. They give us pick 45 to move up 1500=1500 on the Trade Value Chart.

5. If the Rams take the QB that the Browns had decided on they might bypass a QB all together or attempt to trade down with us at a cheaper price during the draft.

Ok, someone please remind me why it's the coaches' fault for having a one dimensional team all these years under Baalke?

I just chuckle in amazement that anyone can think this is good for the 49ers. We were highly likely to draft one of the 2 qbs, both of whom are highly likely to succeed imo, and now those chances are next to nothing.

We are going to be stuck with Kaepernick drama for the season because the team won't part with him for what they'd have taken had they drafted a qb #1 and no team will pay what they expect now that the qb situation returns to shakey.

Post game press conferences are going to be Kaepernick centric because he's caught acting like a teenager with the media, or on the sideline, or some comment about Chip, or what have you.

This trade by the Rams screws us in the worst way. We are going to draft a defensive player who will have the least amount of impact due to Kellys system. We will struggle at qb and be right hete again next year with s**t to choose from at qb.

I think well draft wr michael thomas at 7

Originally posted by WINiner:
I just chuckle in amazement that anyone can think this is good for the 49ers. We were highly likely to draft one of the 2 qbs, both of whom are highly likely to succeed imo, and now those chances are next to nothing.

We are going to be stuck with Kaepernick drama for the season because the team won't part with him for what they'd have taken had they drafted a qb #1 and no team will pay what they expect now that the qb situation returns to shakey.

Post game press conferences are going to be Kaepernick centric because he's caught acting like a teenager with the media, or on the sideline, or some comment about Chip, or what have you.

This trade by the Rams screws us in the worst way. We are going to draft a defensive player who will have the least amount of impact due to Kellys system. We will struggle at qb and be right hete again next year with s**t to choose from at qb.

Have some faith. We may royally suck and be in position to draft an even better QB next year

2016: Buckner
2017: Watson

Prepare yourself it's going to happen

Originally posted by WINiner:
I just chuckle in amazement that anyone can think this is good for the 49ers. We were highly likely to draft one of the 2 qbs, both of whom are highly likely to succeed imo, and now those chances are next to nothing.

We are going to be stuck with Kaepernick drama for the season because the team won't part with him for what they'd have taken had they drafted a qb #1 and no team will pay what they expect now that the qb situation returns to shakey.

Post game press conferences are going to be Kaepernick centric because he's caught acting like a teenager with the media, or on the sideline, or some comment about Chip, or what have you.

This trade by the Rams screws us in the worst way. We are going to draft a defensive player who will have the least amount of impact due to Kellys system. We will struggle at qb and be right hete again next year with s**t to choose from at qb.

...and talking about how much it's going to cost to trade up to #1 for Watson, 1 year behind on the QB development train.

Originally posted by WINiner:

This trade by the Rams screws us in the worst way. We are going to draft a defensive player who will have the least amount of impact due to Kellys system. We will struggle at qb and be right hete again next year with s**t to choose from at qb.

Im still stunned that people believe that a Chip Kelly led team will somehow become a defensive powerhouse. If the offense isnt clicking on all cylinders, they are going to lose a whole lot of games.

Defense wins championship, we almost garenteed bosa, buckner, or jack now

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Im still stunned that people believe that a Chip Kelly led team will somehow become a defensive powerhouse. If the offense isnt clicking on all cylinders, they are going to lose a whole lot of games.

Don't have to be a powerhouse. Around the middle of the pack and opportunistic will be more than enough with an offense that scores 24-26 a game

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SFBuckeye:
Just as many good starting QBs are drafted in the later rounds as the first. .

Yeah no.


http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/184003-the-drafting-qb-late-folly/search=phoenix49ers

Lot's of ways to view this and I'm not sure there is an exact answer, but here are the eight most productive (yards) NFL QBs and their draft placement:

P Manning—1rst, #1 overall
Favre—2nd, #33
Marino—1st, #27
Brees—2nd, #32
Brady—6th, #199
Elway—1st, #1
Moon—undrafted
Tarkenton—3rd, #29

Only two of the top eight were high first round picks--Manning and Elway. I used yards because some very good QBs went to teams with no defense or limited overall talent. It would be interesting to compare this to the eight or so most winning QBs. Will do that if I have time...and the inclination. Maybe someone else can beat me to it. One negative from this list is that it can't include recent history as it's career production. Another way of looking would be overall winning % viewed by round...all QBs drafted included in the numbers. Would have to figure out how to account for guys like Leaf and J Russell though.

Edit: was surprised that only two were outside first two rounds (Tarkenton was third but in an entirely different draft world--1961). Moon was more a commentary on social retardation of NFL owners and GMs.

Edit 2: Another way of looking at successful QBs, by arbitrary (somewhat) ranking:

Brady (6th)
Montana (3rd)
Manning (1st)
Elway (1st)
Marino (1st)
Favre (2nd)
Bradshaw (1st)
Staubach (10th—would have been first if not for his military committment) Unitas (9th)
Young (1st—USFL & NFL)

5 of 10 best QBs were first rounders and it would have been 6 if Staubach hadn't gone to Annapolis.

Originally posted by KezarLivin:

Originally posted by WINiner:
I just chuckle in amazement that anyone can think this is good for the 49ers. We were highly likely to draft one of the 2 qbs, both of whom are highly likely to succeed imo, and now those chances are next to nothing.

We are going to be stuck with Kaepernick drama for the season because the team won't part with him for what they'd have taken had they drafted a qb #1 and no team will pay what they expect now that the qb situation returns to shakey.

Post game press conferences are going to be Kaepernick centric because he's caught acting like a teenager with the media, or on the sideline, or some comment about Chip, or what have you.

This trade by the Rams screws us in the worst way. We are going to draft a defensive player who will have the least amount of impact due to Kellys system. We will struggle at qb and be right hete again next year with s**t to choose from at qb.

...and talking about how much it's going to cost to trade up to #1 for Watson, 1 year behind on the QB development train.

That's why we need a top 2 pick next year.

I would try to trade the Browns #7 for their 1st round pick in 2017. The only chance they'd accept it is if Tunsil somehow drops to 7 or they really like Zeke Elliot and want to surround either Wentz/Goff with talent on offense as a rookie. Their 2017 1st round pick has a high probability of being a top 5 pick and the chance it turns into Garrett or Watson makes it easily worth more than whoever we will draft at 7 in my opinion. Plus, trading the pick rather than drafting a player who can contribute improves our odds of landing a top 2 pick with the 49ers' 1st round pick next year (albeit slightly).

I'm starting to like our lack of spending this offseason. Imagine if we acquired a bunch of players in free agency and were looking like a 7-9 team next year. This news would be devastating. Luckily, we could be in a good position to draft a QB next year if everything goes according to plan. Baalke gave us 2 shots to get a QB in the early first round.

Originally posted by KezarLivin:
...and talking about how much it's going to cost to trade up to #1 for Watson, 1 year behind on the QB development train.

I can see it. Much like how the Rams traded for Foles and drafted Mannion in the 3rd round last year before finally deciding to stop screwing around and get a legit franchise QB prospect.

People are expecting Kelly to be some QB miracle worker but the reality is that he did nothing to improve Foles as a QB overall and even in that offense Sanchez was still turnover happy. I don't expect any radical transformation of Gabbert, I expect that he'll continue to look like a guy who is best suited to be a backup QB.

I listen to Sirius satellite radio and heard 2 interesting interviews today. Adam Scheafter and John Robinson (Titans GM).

Adam doesn't think the Browns are drafting a QB at #2. They want out of #2.

John said more then 1 offer was on the table for the #1.

The Eagles & Cowboys are the teams most likely to move up to #2 and draft the "other" QB.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by KezarLivin:
...and talking about how much it's going to cost to trade up to #1 for Watson, 1 year behind on the QB development train.

I can see it. Much like how the Rams traded for Foles and drafted Mannion in the 3rd round last year before finally deciding to stop screwing around and get a legit franchise QB prospect.

People are expecting Kelly to be some QB miracle worker but the reality is that he did nothing to improve Foles as a QB overall and even in that offense Sanchez was still turnover happy. I don't expect any radical transformation of Gabbert, I expect that he'll continue to look like a guy who is best suited to be a backup QB.

I agree whole heartedly and can't understand why people don't get that for Kelly and his system to be really good he needs a talented QB. A mediocre QB isn't going to become a probowler simply due to Kelly's system. Gabbert is not good enough, Kaepernick is not good enough and neither is any QB in this draft not named Wentz or Goff imo. Next year is going to be even worse with really only one guy worth a 1st.

So now the 49ers get to do something stupid and pay far too much to Cleveland to move up to 2, or struggle for several seasons at the QB position.

Oh and BTW f**k Jeff Fisher. That sob did any and everything he could to lose that game against the 49ers and then to later point that game out as a catalyst that allowed for the trade is f**king bold and the NFL should investigate. Pretty sure they have rules against throwing games on purpose to improve draft stock, which imo he clearly did during that game.