2017 QB draft class

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

2018 draft class will be really good. Rosen aND Garrett will go 1 and 2

I'm patient enough to wait if a qb doesn't fall to us this year and next, but most fans will not be. Build up a solid roster the next 2 years, most importantly with a solid OL and then bring in a franchise qb imo.

Originally posted by ltrain:

I'm patient enough to wait if a qb doesn't fall to us this year and next, but most fans will not be. Build up a solid roster the next 2 years, most importantly with a solid OL and then bring in a franchise qb imo.

If you wait to "build up a solid roster" then you wont be in a position to bring in a franchise QB generally.

You basically become the Rams or Texans. Hoping to draft the leftovers or grossly overpaying for a guy with 7 career starts.

Originally posted by ltrain:

I'm patient enough to wait if a qb doesn't fall to us this year and next, but most fans will not be. Build up a solid roster the next 2 years, most importantly with a solid OL and then bring in a franchise qb imo.

You don't just "bring in" a franchise QB. You have the opportunity to grab one and you do, or you miss out and wait for the next time the stars align to provide you with a chance to grab one again.


You don't pass on a franchise QB regardless of your current situation.

Originally posted by SFBuckeye:
If we pass on a QB this year and get rid of Kap looking ahead at the QBs for next season.

Deshaun Watson Clemson if you figure we win 6 or 7 games next year I don't think he will be there when we pick.

Brad Kayaa Miami not Impressed

Chad Kelly Missippi 6-2 215

CJ Beatherd Iowa 6-2 209

Josh Dobbs Tennessee 6-3 212

Gunner Kiel Cinncinatti 6-4 208 I think he will be a better pro than college QB.

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 6-0 209

JT Barrett The Ohio State University 6-1 223 he's going to have 50 TDs this season and will probadly come out.

Which of these guys would you target for our franchise QB? I've seen a lot of Watson, Kiel and Barrett but haven't seen the rest.

You forgot
Seth Russell 6-2 220 Baylor coming out from neck surgery
Wes Lunt from Illinois 6-4 225
Graduate transfer Davis Webb from Texas Tech to Colorado 6-4 227

Cooper Rush 6-3 220 Central Michigan

Brady Gustafson Montana 6-6 235 FCS star
Mitch Leidner 6-4 236 Minnesota


PS: There are reports that J.T.Barrett actually isn't 6'1 6'2 guy but closer to 5'11

Davis Webb had a good start at Texas Tech early in his career but was benched for Mahomes because of an injury.
If can put a good season in Colorado he might be considered in the first 2 rounds.

It is a very weak draft class overall, specially the seniors

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Draftology:
Conversely Carson Wentz would have gone undrafted

People were talking about Wentz as a potential 1st rounder a year back. Greg Gabriel is one that has been on the Wentz Train for awhile.


The biggest surprises to me were Lynch and Prescott. Beyond that Goff already had plenty of hype after his sophomore season.

First I heard of Wentz being mentioned in the 1st rd was December. McShay had him as a high upside day 3 pick in August.

Originally posted by Draftology:
First I heard of Wentz being mentioned in the 1st rd was December. McShay had him as a high upside day 3 pick in August.

I underlined the key portion there. There were articles from last spring and summer discussing Wentz as a potential 1st rounder. He was always a highly rated QB prospect, quite a distance from going "undrafted" as you were claiming.


Mel Kiper had him ranked in his top 5 draft QB's back as early as June.


http://insidethepylon.com/nfl/2016-nfl-draft/2015/07/09/carson-wentz-2016-nfl-draft-qb-to-know/

Mel Kiper on ESPN radio just put Carson in the top 5 quarterbacks in the nation on the radio. Thoughts? I'm really surprised he is almost putting him in the first round.-May 16, 2015

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?169427-Mel-Kiper-on-Carson-Wentz


There was also quite a bit of buzz from people who had gotten to watch him play previously.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2520812-can-carson-wentz-become-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-qb-prospect


http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=44830



Anyone who had watched more than a Youtube clip of him pretty much had him as one of the top QB prospects heading into the 2015 season. I expected him to be a 2nd rounder but I wasn't shocked when he moved up to the 1st. He had all the tools and a whole lot of upside.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Chip Kelly in his first two years in the NFL his offenses ranked #2 and #5 overall with two different QB's that are far from a DeShaun Watson or Colin Kaepernick type. Kelly's offenses are two totally different animals from college and the Pro's, he's adapted to the NFL.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/23/chip-kelly-we-dont-run-some-magical-offense/

Kelly said he's less married to his schemes than most people would think, and more like Broncos coach John Fox, who showed over the last two years that he could dramatically change his team's offense depending on the personnel.

When life gives you lemons chip made lemonade there's a reason he has a hard on for Mariota....he can play in and outside of the pocket, is accurate, plus has the athletic ability to run and make the offense that much harder to defend...Watson offers all of that.

Mariota is a far better passer than Watson who has been fortunate to have good receivers by his side. Yes Watson will take off and run, but again that stuff won't go far in the NFL. There's a reason the Brady's, Manning's, Rivers and Brees' have had long careers in the NFL, because they know how to distribute the ball and I'll even add Cam Newton in there. Kelly knows that his college Spread offense won't work in the NFL, he knows NFL DC's have seen it all, which is his reasons for adapting, something Harbaugh should've done.

It's not the spread its zone read...past four Qbs that went to the SB could run it

We are gonna continue to see more Qbs like them because pro style offense are going out the window in college and the NFL is speeding up. I think chip does need to adapt and having a QB that can take snaps under center along with zone read is what I'm looking for.

I like the style Carolina runs, theirs not reason someone like Watson can't be just as good as cam...Cam runs the ball at least 10x a game off of that zone read and he's no where as accurate as Watson. I'm telling ya he's gonna be a good QB and would kill it under chip.

Are you talking in college or NFL, because Kelly didn't stick with one scheme in the NFL. He ran a variation on offense, what part of it was Zone Read and don't get it twisted with Read-Option??

And I didn't say anything about Pro Style QB's. But if you're going there a bunch of new generation of pro Style QB's have been coming out of college Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson. Notice majority of them have very minimal athleticism?? But I'm actually talking about more Pocket QB's, QB's that run through their progressions I could careless about the 60 yard bombs.

I also wouldn't say Newton is nowhere near as accurate, for one Newton had 66% comp/pct, 1% off of Watson. Also Newton has passed for 4,000 in the NFL and helped guide his team to a Super Bowl. Until Watson does any of that then you can put him in the same sentence with Newton with relevance.

I think that if one of the top two quarterbacks falls to us that we should take them. Like Phoenix49ers basically said, we might not be in this position to draft this high in subsequent years.

I'd rather pick a different position but I think quarterback is a smart move for the long term.

Originally posted by SFBuckeye:
If we pass on a QB this year and get rid of Kap looking ahead at the QBs for next season.

Deshaun Watson Clemson if you figure we win 6 or 7 games next year I don't think he will be there when we pick.

Brad Kayaa Miami not Impressed

Chad Kelly Missippi 6-2 215

CJ Beatherd Iowa 6-2 209

Josh Dobbs Tennessee 6-3 212

Gunner Kiel Cinncinatti 6-4 208 I think he will be a better pro than college QB.

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 6-0 209

JT Barrett The Ohio State University 6-1 223 he's going to have 50 TDs this season and will probadly come out.

Which of these guys would you target for our franchise QB? I've seen a lot of Watson, Kiel and Barrett but haven't seen the rest.

that is a very bad list. what the hell has happened to the QB position? I know the game has changed to fit more spread schemes, but this is ridiculous. none of these guys I see as a starter in the NFL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
Rather tank for when Josh Rosen declares kid is going to be special

I love this kid, honestly and I might get knocked for this, but he reminds me of a young Peyton Manning. This is the QB I'd tank for.

Great QB but who's waiting for the 2018 draft? No me lol.

Right, of course I would take Goff or Wentz if there. No way would I wait for Rosen to come out which might not be till 2019.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by ltrain:
I'm patient enough to wait if a qb doesn't fall to us this year and next, but most fans will not be. Build up a solid roster the next 2 years, most importantly with a solid OL and then bring in a franchise qb imo.

You don't just "bring in" a franchise QB. You have the opportunity to grab one and you do, or you miss out and wait for the next time the stars align to provide you with a chance to grab one again.


You don't pass on a franchise QB regardless of your current situation.

I'm thinking Goff and Wentz are off the board this year by pick #7. Therefore, we shouldn't take a QB if one doesn't fall to us.

Originally posted by wailers15:
that is a very bad list. what the hell has happened to the QB position? I know the game has changed to fit more spread schemes, but this is ridiculous. none of these guys I see as a starter in the NFL.

What happened is easy.The virus "running QB" infected the CFB and the infection spread to NFL.
People like scum QB
"Mobile Qbs really are a function highlight obsessed society. In the fans perspective doesn't matter if he can't convert 3rd and 7 or 3rd and 8 if he can run for 40+ yards twice" Greg Cosell

What does everyone else think of Mason Rudolph, from Oklahoma State? I was interested in Jakeem Grant and Ogbah and watched a couple games, he looked pretty good. He's only a junior this year.
http://www.okstate.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=1392

This is from an ESPN article from 03/11/16:
**His leadership and role may be expanding but the two-quarterback scenario makes it easy to forget the reality of Rudolph's impact during his first full season as Oklahoma State's starting quarterback. He is 12-3 as a starter and finished his sophomore season among the top four in the Big 12 in passing yards (3,770, second), yards per attempt (8.89, fourth), completion percentage (62.3, fourth) and interception percentage (2.1 percent, third). Rudolph was 264 of 424 for 3,770 yards with 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions in 2015.**
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/126248/mason-rudolph-is-ready-to-be-the-man-at-oklahoma-state

Last year Hackenburg was projected as the number 1 pick...now look at him...where was Wentz ranked last year?