Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Hard to say... not many picks are no brainer top 2 franchise guys there's always gonna be ?

That said I like he's style of play with this offense. He's just finds ways too win.

When you consider the value of the position and how few good ones there are in the NFL I think Watson with his career in college and his talent is a top 5 pick.

His frame alone makes me question him. Bridewater's concerns turned out to be 100 % correct.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't think this guy is close to being worth a top 5 overall pick.

His vision of the field is terribly inconsistent. Almost all his throws go to his first progression, and when he is forced to move his eyes, he goes blind at times very similar to what Kap does. There will be a defender standing in front of him, and he will not see it. Go watch the Auburn game. He almost threw 3 INTs to LBs playing zones right in front of him. I don't know if i've ever see him move a defender off his spot with his eyes.

He also doesn't have a great feel for pressure in the pocket. There will be times where a defender is nearly on top of him before he realizes to move.

Not impressed at all with this guy. His accuracy is trending downward, undersized with a serious history of injuries, and overall lacking from an intellectual quarterbacking standpoint to warrant a top 5 pick.

I don't think Heroism has been watching the right QB. That sounds like the wrong scouting report for Watson. I particularly chuckled at the notion of him not feeling pressure in the pocket. Clemson is among the best in the nation with only 7 sacks allowed through 7 games. His feel in the pocket is one of his best attributes.

I am not the only one who saw those flaws jump out. here's daniel jeremiah:

As a passer, he needs to do a better job of reading coverage post snap. This offense does a beautiful job of setting up a defense and then cashing in with big plays. However, there are times when Watson will predetermine his target and throw the ball without seeing the field. His interception vs. Alabama is an excellent example. His target won the one-on-one matchup, but Watson failed to see the over-the-top defender, resulting in an easy interception. His ball placement also needs work. While he excels at escaping pressure, I'd like to see him do a better job of maneuvering within the pocket.

people crap on kaepernick(rightfully so), yet clamor for this fragile guy? he has the same remedial limitations that kaepernick. take away his first read, make him move his eyes and he's completely neutralized. Too glaring of a flaw to draft so early in the first round.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I am not the only one who saw those flaws jump out. here's daniel jeremiah:

As a passer, he needs to do a better job of reading coverage post snap. This offense does a beautiful job of setting up a defense and then cashing in with big plays. However, there are times when Watson will predetermine his target and throw the ball without seeing the field. His interception vs. Alabama is an excellent example. His target won the one-on-one matchup, but Watson failed to see the over-the-top defender, resulting in an easy interception. His ball placement also needs work. While he excels at escaping pressure, I'd like to see him do a better job of maneuvering within the pocket.

people crap on kaepernick(rightfully so), yet clamor for this fragile guy? he has the same remedial limitations that kaepernick. take away his first read, make him move his eyes and he's completely neutralized. Too glaring of a flaw to draft so early in the first round.

I will say he hasn't had to go through a ton of progressions in his current offensive system..same would be true in SF. There aren't a ton of progressions, the issue is he has to hit that first or second read with accuracy quickly...can he do that? I think so.

It will be interesting to see what the team does, but as long as Baalke is the GM I will have zero faith it will be the right move.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I will say he hasn't had to go through a ton of progressions in his current offensive system..same would be true in SF. There aren't a ton of progressions, the issue is he has to hit that first or second read with accuracy quickly...can he do that? I think so.

It will be interesting to see what the team does, but as long as Baalke is the GM I will have zero faith it will be the right move.

And now what happens if you fire Kelly in a year or two and bring in a coach that likes to run a volume-heavy WCO? Ideally you want someone that is capable of performing in pretty much any offense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

And now what happens if you fire Kelly in a year or two and bring in a coach that likes to run a volume-heavy WCO? Ideally you want someone that is capable of performing in pretty much any offense.

Well you groom him for the new coaching staff...Wilson wasn't asked to make a ton of progressions his first couple seasons, but got better as a in the pocket passer as he matured? Looks like Marcus Mariota is making some strides as well. that's something you have to evaluate in the draft process with Watson.

We really have no idea what could happen in a couple yrs hard to throw out "what ifs" and hypotheticals...until then why not help the coach you just hired? What's the point in bringing in chip if you can't fine a qb that can run his system and someone like Watson can do that.

I'm not saying it's the right or wrong pick all depends who's there and what they see in the draft process.

This thread is a perfect example of why you cannot project a full year or more out when drafting a QB. He was considered the number 1 guy a year ago and now people have really cooled on him. I still like Watson a lot. I am just uncertain about number 2 overall if the draft is today.

I will say this, where's the evidence that he lacks the ability or is unwilling to correct his flaws?

Yeah let's point to his one mistake while putting up 500 yards on a Bama defense considered one of the best defenses of all time as evidence of some kind of underlying flaw.

Again....if pocket awareness is an issue then why is Clemson among the best in the nation averaging only one sack a game?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This thread is a perfect example of why you cannot project a full year or more out when drafting a QB. He was considered the number 1 guy a year ago and now people have really cooled on him. I still like Watson a lot. I am just uncertain about number 2 overall if the draft is today.

I will say this, where's the evidence that he lacks the ability or is unwilling to correct his flaws?

Not really a perfect example - Watson is still widely considered a top 5 or 10 pick and has an outside shot at being a top 2 pick right now. The only guy who is almost certainly going to go ahead of Watson is Myles Garrett.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the 49ers or another team ends up taking Watson or Kizer at #2.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This thread is a perfect example of why you cannot project a full year or more out when drafting a QB. He was considered the number 1 guy a year ago and now people have really cooled on him. I still like Watson a lot. I am just uncertain about number 2 overall if the draft is today.

I will say this, where's the evidence that he lacks the ability or is unwilling to correct his flaws?

Not really a perfect example - Watson is still widely considered a top 5 or 10 pick and has an outside shot at being a top 2 pick right now. The only guy who is almost certainly going to go ahead of Watson is Myles Garrett.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the 49ers or another team ends up taking Watson or Kizer at #2.

It's the QB factor. I like Watson a lot, just saying that so much can change in a year and he is not nearly as hot as he was last year.

Misleading thread does that mean Watson is going to be a backup like Goff?

Another race baiter. He'd take Kap's place perfectly.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not really a perfect example - Watson is still widely considered a top 5 or 10 pick and has an outside shot at being a top 2 pick right now. The only guy who is almost certainly going to go ahead of Watson is Myles Garrett.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the 49ers or another team ends up taking Watson or Kizer at #2.

Here is the thing, if the Browns are going to be drafting No.1 overall, I just can't see them skipping on a QB yet again. In fact, the fact that they let Carson Wentz slipped through their fingers alone is more than enough as a fireable offense considering : 1) how Wentz is playing and 2) how fxxked up the Browns are now (RG3 was always going to be a huge mistake).