Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
When you are taking a QB that high he HAS to be your guy and the player you commit to. If he isn't then you pass and take another player, period.

Jax made a bad evaluation and he obviously shouldn't have been the guy. Also, picking someone at 10 compared to 2 is a big difference, not to mention that both contracts at #1 and #2 would be guaranteed. We are taking a hit either way if we trade, paying a #1 or #2 overall pick to be a backup, and resources need to be put into other positions. When have you heard of a team taking a QB #2 and following that up the next year by taking another one at #1?

Like I said it would take some balls from the team to do it.

Teams don't know who may be available next year and sometimes they don't know how certain prospects will do once they're in their locker room. The scenario has never transpired before really but the position is so important that getting it right is a teams #1 priority.

Obviously I want us to use one pick on a QB and have him be the next Tom Brady but my point was more if there is any thought process that the guy available next year is better then it's worth it to make that move.

You get that position right and you'll be good for a long time. Would hate to see a star QB have to be skipped because we took a lesser prospect the year before.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
When you are taking a QB that high he HAS to be your guy and the player you commit to. If he isn't then you pass and take another player, period.

Jax made a bad evaluation and he obviously shouldn't have been the guy. Also, picking someone at 10 compared to 2 is a big difference, not to mention that both contracts at #1 and #2 would be guaranteed. We are taking a hit either way if we trade, paying a #1 or #2 overall pick to be a backup, and resources need to be put into other positions. When have you heard of a team taking a QB #2 and following that up the next year by taking another one at #1?

Like I said it would take some balls from the team to do it.

Teams don't know who may be available next year and sometimes they don't know how certain prospects will do once they're in their locker room. The scenario has never transpired before really but the position is so important that getting it right is a teams #1 priority.

Obviously I want us to use one pick on a QB and have him be the next Tom Brady but my point was more if there is any thought process that the guy available next year is better then it's worth it to make that move.

You get that position right and you'll be good for a long time. Would hate to see a star QB have to be skipped because we took a lesser prospect the year before.

If he's a star QB you wouldn't need to pick another one the following year nor would you be picking #1.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Sounds a lot like what was said last offseason in the Jared Goff/Carson Wentz threads (but about Chip Kelly). Our chance of having the #1 pick next year is as good as anyone's. I think the Browns have a better roster than us right now. We may not have the worst roster in the league after free agency and the draft, but we won't be far off. We can't count on getting a top 5 pick next year, but that doesn't mean we have to reach for a QB at #2 this year.

IMO, Watson would be less of a reach at 2 than anyone in the draft not named Garrett or Allen.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Mitchell not on Watson's level, DW was head and shoulders above the rest yesterday.

Disagree but whatevs

College film and Combine workout kind of put this one to bed.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Mitchell not on Watson's level, DW was head and shoulders above the rest yesterday.

Disagree but whatevs

College film and Combine workout kind of put this one to bed.

Watson is the better QB this year after that display. You can't even use the frail excuse anymore he came in as big as Mitch.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
If he's a star QB you wouldn't need to pick another one the following year nor would you be picking #1.

I think most people agree not all QB prospects are created equal even though they may be drafted around the same time in their respective drafts.

We're in a tough spot here. Garrett is clearly the #1 guy in this class but I see no chance on the Browns passing on him. Watson or Trubisky have high level potential but are not seen as can't miss prospects like an Andrew Luck type. Assuming all 3 of Darnold, Rosen and Josh Allen keep playing well next year and come out are all better prospects for the NFL.

Do we take someone this year who may be more risk? Hard spot to be in. Obviously I hope whomever we draft ends up being a stud but it sucks to look ahead and see those type of prospects potentially available next year and think we can't draft them because we already drafted QB the year prior.

Originally posted by jcs:
Watson is the better QB this year after that display. You can't even use the frail excuse anymore he came in as big as Mitch.

Watson's gonna be a good QB IMO. Trubisky will be great.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Watson's gonna be a good QB IMO. Trubisky will be great.

I see it the other way around. Watson has made his entire life about being the best QB he can...just look at his background and where he's coming from. He's not a guy like Kap who's going to turn it off once he gets paid or goes through an Identity crisis. Mitch or Mitchell just doesn't come of as wanting it as bad.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
If he's a star QB you wouldn't need to pick another one the following year nor would you be picking #1.

I think most people agree not all QB prospects are created equal even though they may be drafted around the same time in their respective drafts.

We're in a tough spot here. Garrett is clearly the #1 guy in this class but I see no chance on the Browns passing on him. Watson or Trubisky have high level potential but are not seen as can't miss prospects like an Andrew Luck type. Assuming all 3 of Darnold, Rosen and Josh Allen keep playing well next year and come out are all better prospects for the NFL.

Do we take someone this year who may be more risk? Hard spot to be in. Obviously I hope whomever we draft ends up being a stud but it sucks to look ahead and see those type of prospects potentially available next year and think we can't draft them because we already drafted QB the year prior.

Your points are the part of the reason why we are going hard after Cousins as we speak. If we can get Cousins plus extra picks from trading out it would be a real coup. Someone will fall in love with one of the top QBs and pony up for #2.

Originally posted by jcs:
I see it the other way around. Watson has made his entire life about being the best QB he can...just look at his background and where he's coming from. He's not a guy like Kap who's going to turn it off once he gets paid or goes through an Identity crisis. Mitch or Mitchell just doesn't come of as wanting it as bad.

#1. How can you say he's not a guy like Kap? Kap wasn't a guy like Kap until he was. Kid was as hard a worker as you get who was super humble and let the early success get to his head. We have no idea how Deshaun will react to being successful in the NFL until he actually does...that's what makes the draft such a crapshoot. Even when some of these guys have no red flags you never know what happens. You just have to hope for the best from what you know about their past.

#2. Why do you say that and how can you know that?

Originally posted by jcs:
Watson has made his entire life about being the best QB

That's exactly how I would describe Watson: someone who appears to have dedicated a substantial amount of their life to quarterbacking. You can tell he's spent countless hours with his coaches at every level and football camps with quarterback gurus that really accentuate the small details. Everything Watson does is so smooth and effortless.

This is a guy who took snaps exclusively out of the gun, yet his drop steps yesterday were smooth, deep and technical. When he transfers weight through his throws, it's just so controlled and high-level. While guys like Trubisky look like a promising prospect heading to the NFL, Watson already throws with the refinement of a NFL quarterback. Ball is carried high, there's no push in his release, his posture through throws is about as perfect as it can get, his plant steps are always consistently in the same spot without overstride. His hips never open early but always follow through. There's no leaning or drifting. He's very balanced, very consistent. I love to see guys that have mastered these things. It's like a samurai sharpening his blade to a razor's edge.

The way this guy has polished and refined his mechanics and techniques up to this point lead me to believe that it would only be a matter of time before he mastered the nuances of quarterbacking at the pro level in the NFL. He's obviously a very a coachable, meticulous young man.


I hope Kyle does see something in Watson because I want a long-term solution to our qb problem.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Watson's gonna be a good QB IMO. Trubisky will be great.

I see it the other way around. Watson has made his entire life about being the best QB he can...just look at his background and where he's coming from. He's not a guy like Kap who's going to turn it off once he gets paid or goes through an Identity crisis. Mitch or Mitchell just doesn't come of as wanting it as bad.

It appeared that Watson was more focused based on their facial expressions on camera but maybe thats how Mitchell operates. Their success is dependent on what team and system they play for. Both will be good eventually and I love Watson's background but I'm purely guessing Mitchell will be a better NFL QB. I don't take much stock on the combine unless a player underperforms. Ether way, I'm gonna support whoever gets drafted by the 49ers, until they disappoint like 1 season wonder Reid.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Mitchell not on Watson's level, DW was head and shoulders above the rest yesterday.

Disagree but whatevs

College film and Combine workout kind of put this one to bed.

Watson is the better QB this year after that display. You can't even use the frail excuse anymore he came in as big as Mitch.

Never said he was frail...I like Watson but I think Mitch is a better pure picket passing qb then him.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

College film and Combine workout kind of put this one to bed.

No it didn't

Originally posted by genus49:
#1. How can you say he's not a guy like Kap? Kap wasn't a guy like Kap until he was. Kid was as hard a worker as you get who was super humble and let the early success get to his head. We have no idea how Deshaun will react to being successful in the NFL until he actually does...that's what makes the draft such a crapshoot. Even when some of these guys have no red flags you never know what happens. You just have to hope for the best from what you know about their past.

#2. Why do you say that and how can you know that?

Just my option but...

1. Look at his connection to football throughout his life, the hardships his family has had to fight through to get him here today. The opportunities his play have given him to overcome the poverty he's had to face in a single parent family. He was also smart enough in Highschool to prepare for college and he's graduated as a Jr.

Then look at the football connections he's developed or is developing with elite football people going back to jr High and high school. He also didn't come from such an odd a family makeup as Kap who was an orphan. Every story I've read on Watson's past show a guy who doesn't need to be told to practice or work on his deficiencies. Example is a story Dabo gave of Watson during the playoffs of his first week at Clemson and how he got into trouble getting caught breaking onto the practice field to practice the playbook with his roommate in the middle of the night. I see a borderline obsessive personality with regards to football and that's not a bad thing, guys like Brady are wired this way.

2. The easiest question I have to answer this is why didn't Mitch start until last season? Don't tell me Marquise Williams was that much better. There was an article out there as early as last season where he is quoted saying he never studied film until his sophomore year after his coaches told him he should, that alone tells me he's not hungry enough to figure this stuff out on his own. He could develop with the right coach but he's not a guy who I think is going to put in the effort to make himself great regardless of situation.