Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:

I don't think UNCs collective talent > Clemson's talent obviously, but it's just funny to hear people constantly mention the fact that Watson plays with supporting talent while ignoring the fact that 5 other skill position players from UNC are likely to be drafted. Just like they constantly fail to mention that Marquise Williams killed it the previous season while going 11-3 (one of those losses coming to Clemson, which is a team that Trubisky got to avoid, in addition to avoiding Louisville this year in the ACC).

This argument has happened a million times on here and these guys still goin off on it. Yea Clemson had better talent than UNC of course. But it's gotta be remembered that Clemson had the 3rd toughest college schedule and UNC had the 29th toughest.

Watson and Mitch are the two best quarterbacks

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Also if Shanny picks up a vet like Hoyer and wins a handful of games then we will be out of the running for a top flight QB next season, you've got to roll the dice when you have even a remote chance at a franchise QB. If Garrett goes 1, at least it makes our decision easier in terms of what position we will be drafting.

Honestly with the QB position being so important I wouldn't be opposed to drafting QB this year and next year if we think the guy available next year is better than who we have.

It may be a move that is widely trashed but at the end of the day if you can find a franchise QB nobody will care years from now.

Of course ideally the QB you draft is that guy and you see that quick enough that you don't have to be enticed into taking another one but with the rookie scale i don't think it's so crazy.

For instance if we took Watson/Trubisky at #2 and next year own #1 overall and Darnold declares after having another monster season...i think it's certainly worth it. Can always trade the lesser of the two guys but finding the next stud QB is a must.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Also if Shanny picks up a vet like Hoyer and wins a handful of games then we will be out of the running for a top flight QB next season, you've got to roll the dice when you have even a remote chance at a franchise QB. If Garrett goes 1, at least it makes our decision easier in terms of what position we will be drafting.

Honestly with the QB position being so important I wouldn't be opposed to drafting QB this year and next year if we think the guy available next year is better than who we have.

It may be a move that is widely trashed but at the end of the day if you can find a franchise QB nobody will care years from now.

Of course ideally the QB you draft is that guy and you see that quick enough that you don't have to be enticed into taking another one but with the rookie scale i don't think it's so crazy.

For instance if we took Watson/Trubisky at #2 and next year own #1 overall and Darnold declares after having another monster season...i think it's certainly worth it. Can always trade the lesser of the two guys but finding the next stud QB is a must.

Sorry, but this makes no sense at all.

Jets are gonna go like 2-14 next year and be the top pick and take the top pick. So forget about drafting the best qb next year. No way shanny gets less than 4 wins.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jets are gonna go like 2-14 next year and be the top pick and take the top pick. So forget about drafting the best qb next year. No way shanny gets less than 4 wins.

Sounds a lot like what was said last offseason in the Jared Goff/Carson Wentz threads (but about Chip Kelly). Our chance of having the #1 pick next year is as good as anyone's. I think the Browns have a better roster than us right now. We may not have the worst roster in the league after free agency and the draft, but we won't be far off. We can't count on getting a top 5 pick next year, but that doesn't mean we have to reach for a QB at #2 this year.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I am still laying money down that two QBs will be off the board in the first three picks. I project Trubisky at 1 and Watson at 3.
Bad teams have to take a risk on a QB because if they hit, they are set for more than a decade, and have a chance to win. A good safety does not do that for you. Russell Wilson is 100 times more valuable than an Earl Thomas

You are right quite often MadDog but I'm still going to have to disagree with you on this one. I don't see Cleveland trading out and think they are sold on Garrett. I think a QB will go #2 with either us or someone trading up (Buffalo seems like the most logical at this stage) and potentially at #3.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jets are gonna go like 2-14 next year and be the top pick and take the top pick. So forget about drafting the best qb next year. No way shanny gets less than 4 wins.

Either this year or next I get the feeling we are getting Cousins because that's what Kyle wants.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jets are gonna go like 2-14 next year and be the top pick and take the top pick. So forget about drafting the best qb next year. No way shanny gets less than 4 wins.

Sounds a lot like what was said last offseason in the Jared Goff/Carson Wentz threads (but about Chip Kelly). Our chance of having the #1 pick next year is as good as anyone's. I think the Browns have a better roster than us right now. We may not have the worst roster in the league after free agency and the draft, but we won't be far off. We can't count on getting a top 5 pick next year, but that doesn't mean we have to reach for a QB at #2 this year.

Don't agree with this at all. We have more pieces than Cleveland for sure and with the added pieces and cap space/picks we have this roster could be in a good place going into next year.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Sounds a lot like what was said last offseason in the Jared Goff/Carson Wentz threads (but about Chip Kelly). Our chance of having the #1 pick next year is as good as anyone's. I think the Browns have a better roster than us right now. We may not have the worst roster in the league after free agency and the draft, but we won't be far off. We can't count on getting a top 5 pick next year, but that doesn't mean we have to reach for a QB at #2 this year.

Yea I said the same thing about chip too. But completely different situation

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Sorry, but this makes no sense at all.

It doesn't make sense to do our best to figure out the most important position in the game?

Imagine if Jacksonville wound up with #1 overall pick when Andrew Luck was available and they felt Luck would be better than Blaine and Gabbert didn't show them enough to make them think for sure he was the answer. It's not that crazy to think they'd draft Luck year after taking Gabbert.

If you have a chance to draft a once in a generation type prospect at QB, drafting a QB you may not be 100% sold on in the prior draft even if a top 5 pick shouldn't stop you. At least IMO. Whether a team has the balls to do that is another story.

Personally I'd be ok with it.

Let's get him!! He can the Russell Wilson QB we need since we're emulating Seattle ..

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jets are gonna go like 2-14 next year and be the top pick and take the top pick. So forget about drafting the best qb next year. No way shanny gets less than 4 wins.

Honestly nobody can predict what happens. Our roster still needs a lot of work and we have no idea who our QB will be. Hopefully if we go QB at #2 the team won't play him before he's ready.

With our QB situation being so questionable and the fact that Kyle's system isn't that easy to grasp I can see some serious growing pains on offense and the defense transitioning to a 4-3 and Bowman coming back from injury and youth all over could have some tough growing up to do as well.

Who knows what happens with injuries and competition from the teams we face. We can certainly be in the running for #1 overall. Next year could also have more than just Darnold. Josh Rosen and Josh Allen are also terrific prospects at QB who can be available.

Originally posted by genus49:

It doesn't make sense to do our best to figure out the most important position in the game?

Imagine if Jacksonville wound up with #1 overall pick when Andrew Luck was available and they felt Luck would be better than Blaine and Gabbert didn't show them enough to make them think for sure he was the answer. It's not that crazy to think they'd draft Luck year after taking Gabbert.

If you have a chance to draft a once in a generation type prospect at QB, drafting a QB you may not be 100% sold on in the prior draft even if a top 5 pick shouldn't stop you. At least IMO. Whether a team has the balls to do that is another story.

Personally I'd be ok with it.

If you take a QB at 2 then that's your guy and you have to roll with him for the next years. No way you can just give up on him if the team struggles on his rookie year.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Sorry, but this makes no sense at all.

It doesn't make sense to do our best to figure out the most important position in the game?

Imagine if Jacksonville wound up with #1 overall pick when Andrew Luck was available and they felt Luck would be better than Blaine and Gabbert didn't show them enough to make them think for sure he was the answer. It's not that crazy to think they'd draft Luck year after taking Gabbert.

If you have a chance to draft a once in a generation type prospect at QB, drafting a QB you may not be 100% sold on in the prior draft even if a top 5 pick shouldn't stop you. At least IMO. Whether a team has the balls to do that is another story.

Personally I'd be ok with it.

When you are taking a QB that high he HAS to be your guy and the player you commit to. If he isn't then you pass and take another player, period.

Jax made a bad evaluation and he obviously shouldn't have been the guy. Also, picking someone at 10 compared to 2 is a big difference, not to mention that both contracts at #1 and #2 would be guaranteed. We are taking a hit either way if we trade, paying a #1 or #2 overall pick to be a backup, and resources need to be put into other positions. When have you heard of a team taking a QB #2 and following that up the next year by taking another one at #1?

Originally posted by genus49:

Honestly nobody can predict what happens. Our roster still needs a lot of work and we have no idea who our QB will be. Hopefully if we go QB at #2 the team won't play him before he's ready.

With our QB situation being so questionable and the fact that Kyle's system isn't that easy to grasp I can see some serious growing pains on offense and the defense transitioning to a 4-3 and Bowman coming back from injury and youth all over could have some tough growing up to do as well.

Who knows what happens with injuries and competition from the teams we face. We can certainly be in the running for #1 overall. Next year could also have more than just Darnold. Josh Rosen and Josh Allen are also terrific prospects at QB who can be available.

Thanks for being honest. But I can predict. And I guarantee we don't get less than 5 wins. We won't be in the sweepstakes for the number 1 pick.