Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My point is CB is one position were you can good talent throughout the draft. I'll take Apple,Jackson,Burns,Howard or Jones later than Vernon with the 7th pick for sure!

FYI I think our secondary isn't top of the priority list compared to QB,DL,OL,LB

I don't think we have the luxury of having a "priority list". We need help everywhere. Take BPA in the 1st and 2nd -- who ever that is.

H3 is Ray Buchanon (Miami) all over again.. short, fast and can't cover.. I rather wait in the late first and/or early 2nd and draft Jack3.

Originally posted by 9moon:

H3 is Ray Buchanon (Miami) all over again.. short, fast and can't cover.. I rather wait in the late first and/or early 2nd and draft Jack3.

Turrible comparison, he is more like another Joe Haden type if he reaches his ceiling.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

My point is CB is one position were you can good talent throughout the draft. I'll take Apple,Jackson,Burns,Howard or Jones later than Vernon with the 7th pick for sure!

FYI I think our secondary isn't top of the priority list compared to QB,DL,OL,LB

I don't think we have the luxury of having a "priority list". We need help everywhere. Take BPA in the 1st and 2nd -- who ever that is.

Totally disagree...every team has a priory list and each GM has positions they value more, Baalke doesn't value drafting a CB with a high draft pick he values pass rush and having a strong middle. I don't see Vernon as a shutdown corner plenty of good players later.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 9moon:
H3 is Ray Buchanon (Miami) all over again.. short, fast and can't cover.. I rather wait in the late first and/or early 2nd and draft Jack3.

Turrible comparison, he is more like another Joe Haden type if he reaches his ceiling.

Did he mean Philip Buchanon?

Also, VGIII is the truth. I think he'll be a pro bowler in the league.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

look at the busts on DBs early in the draft the past couple seasons

Claiborne-bust city
Barron-had to turn into a LB
Kirkpatrick-not worth his draft spot
Milliner-
Hayden-injried all the time bust
Elam-huge bust
Vaccaro-injuired and mediocre
Gilbert-not sure who's worse him or Milliner
Pryor-still has time but not the game changer you want in the 1st
Dennard-never plays still time
Waynes-not a starter and should have been being the 11th pick in the draft

Those are some of the DBs that come to mind, I think DB is the biggest position of risk in the 1st (QB is up there too). pass on him at 7

You can do this for every position.

Haden is a bust? He was in the discussion for top CB in the league before getting injured. The Alabama DBs keep getting over drafted. We'll see about Dennard and Waynes. It's early.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
look at the busts on DBs early in the draft the past couple seasons

Claiborne-bust city
Barron-had to turn into a LB
Kirkpatrick-not worth his draft spot
Milliner-
Hayden-injried all the time bust
Elam-huge bust
Vaccaro-injuired and mediocre
Gilbert-not sure who's worse him or Milliner
Pryor-still has time but not the game changer you want in the 1st
Dennard-never plays still time
Waynes-not a starter and should have been being the 11th pick in the draft

Those are some of the DBs that come to mind, I think DB is the biggest position of risk in the 1st (QB is up there too). pass on him at 7

You can do this for every position.

Haden is a bust? He was in the discussion for top CB in the league before getting injured. The Alabama DBs keep getting over drafted. We'll see about Dennard and Waynes. It's early.

DJ Hayden brah...12th pick to the Raiders, been a bust

I don't think you can throw out as many first round busts at any other position compared to CBs over the past couple years. I also don't think a CB is the position you look at when rebuilding your team with the first top 10 pick you've had in 5 years. There are some very good CBs that can be had in the later rounds and we are very young at that position. It would be a total reach

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Nope not at all. Eric has been consistent and solid throughout his career where as Kenny has been horrible. It's not even close. But anyways nice try though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF/status/674756973930356736

So rating higher than Reid with a worst Defense is horrible. Ok nice try though

Oh no, he had one better year rated by pff than Reid. But the PRO BOWLER Reid is a lot better and had a way better career. Wasn't Vacarro close to being benched? His performance was aweful. And by the way, New Orleans defense was not much worse than SF this last year. Nice try though.

Anyways a CB shouldn't be picked top 10 unless he is way better than the pass rushers on the board or if the team drafting does not have a need at pass rusher (assuming defense is the pick and its between a pass rusher and CB).

Sometimes there is a top prospect available like PP but other than those type of prospects like Ramsey this year, avoid first round CBS bc the bust potential is very high

Originally posted by TheRambler:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 9moon:

H3 is Ray Buchanon (Miami) all over again.. short, fast and can't cover.. I rather wait in the late first and/or early 2nd and draft Jack3.

Turrible comparison, he is more like another Joe Haden type if he reaches his ceiling.

Did he mean Philip Buchanon?

Also, VGIII is the truth. I think he'll be a pro bowler in the league.

There is a lot to love about this kid. He definitely will be a gold star helmet on Trent's big board. While we have bigger needs, I would not be mad if he was the pick.

my bad, i did mean philip buchanon from the U..

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by TheRambler:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by 9moon:

H3 is Ray Buchanon (Miami) all over again.. short, fast and can't cover.. I rather wait in the late first and/or early 2nd and draft Jack3.

Turrible comparison, he is more like another Joe Haden type if he reaches his ceiling.

Did he mean Philip Buchanon?

Also, VGIII is the truth. I think he'll be a pro bowler in the league.

There is a lot to love about this kid. He definitely will be a gold star helmet on Trent's big board. While we have bigger needs, I would not be mad if he was the pick.

I would hate the pick personally. Unless your a lockdown CB with no holes in your game a CB shouldn't be a top 10 pick. I hope Baalke feels the same.

I would rather got BPA at 7 and draft someone like Xavier Howard in the 2nd if we even need a CB that early. I think Howard is gonna be one of the best CBs in this draft.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Oh no, he had one better year rated by pff than Reid. But the PRO BOWLER Reid is a lot better and had a way better career. Wasn't Vacarro close to being benched? His performance was aweful. And by the way, New Orleans defense was not much worse than SF this last year. Nice try though.

Anyways a CB shouldn't be picked top 10 unless he is way better than the pass rushers on the board or if the team drafting does not have a need at pass rusher (assuming defense is the pick and its between a pass rusher and CB).

Sometimes there is a top prospect available like PP but other than those type of prospects like Ramsey this year, avoid first round CBS bc the bust potential is very high

He was an alternate. Making the pro bowl doesn't mean much anymore. Teddy Bridgewater is a pro bowler.

Originally posted by TTown9ers:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Oh no, he had one better year rated by pff than Reid. But the PRO BOWLER Reid is a lot better and had a way better career. Wasn't Vacarro close to being benched? His performance was aweful. And by the way, New Orleans defense was not much worse than SF this last year. Nice try though.

Anyways a CB shouldn't be picked top 10 unless he is way better than the pass rushers on the board or if the team drafting does not have a need at pass rusher (assuming defense is the pick and its between a pass rusher and CB).

Sometimes there is a top prospect available like PP but other than those type of prospects like Ramsey this year, avoid first round CBS bc the bust potential is very high

He was an alternate. Making the pro bowl doesn't mean much anymore. Teddy Bridgewater is a pro bowler.

Yet vacarro hasnt even sniffed a pro bowl, which means more because apparently everyone is a pro bowler nowadays.

I like him but don't see how he is much better than Alexander or Jackson.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

DJ Hayden brah...12th pick to the Raiders, been a bust

I don't think you can throw out as many first round busts at any other position compared to CBs over the past couple years. I also don't think a CB is the position you look at when rebuilding your team with the first top 10 pick you've had in 5 years. There are some very good CBs that can be had in the later rounds and we are very young at that position. It would be a total reach

My mistake. The top OTs seem to be busting at a high rate. People love to call them safe picks, but not so much.

CBs are like QBs in that there's just not many impact players at the position. They typically don't produce the first couple years either.

I want Trent to build a dominant front seven, that's it. We've spent too many early picks on the secondary. Chip can handle the offense. Just get him another RB.