Joey Bosa, our savior

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
There is no fault. Not coming to an agreement is completely normal when negotiating.

There is nothing"normal" about this situation. The guy is already missing training camp with no end in sight at the moment.

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he's winning the preseason dick head award

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
There is no fault. Not coming to an agreement is completely normal when negotiating.

There is nothing"normal" about this situation. The guy is already missing training camp with no end in sight at the moment.

this

he's winning the preseason dick head award

this! worst than crabtree. His mom is even talkish ish now. dick head family

I thought the team was pinching pennies but apparently Joseph Bozo wants all the money RIGHT NOW GUARANTEED

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

I thought the team was pinching pennies but apparently Joseph Bozo wants all the money RIGHT NOW GUARANTEED

As far as I can tell. He just wants what other top 5 picks are getting. Either the bonus up front or no deferments. Some teams give the player both without issue. Other teams give the player the bonus upfront and place a deferment on them. Nobody is refusing to give the bonus up front AND demanding a deferment outside of SD.

It's his right to stand his ground on what he believes is a fair deal. However, if the timing of the payment was a non-starter for Bosa's camp -- he should have made that clear pre-draft. If he did he likely would have slipped in the draft.

That's why the Chargers will just wait him out. This is not as serious to Bosa as it is to the Chargers. No rookie deal he would sign in 2017 can make up the money he will lose if he misses 2016. That's just basic math.

If he sits out the year: 1) He misses out on present dollars, 2) He will drop in next year's draft and lose on the rookie wage scale, 3) He is one year older and increasingly less likely to cash in on two big time FA contracts.

The Chargers know it, Bosa knows it. This is just a matter of time.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I thought the team was pinching pennies but apparently Joseph Bozo wants all the money RIGHT NOW GUARANTEED

As far as I can tell. He just wants what other top 5 picks are getting. Either the bonus up front or no deferments. Some teams give the player both without issue. Other teams give the player the bonus upfront and place a deferment on them. Nobody is refusing to give the bonus up front AND demanding a deferment outside of SD.

What happens if they don't sign him?

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
What happens if they don't sign him?

He goes back into the draft next year. No way for him to avoid the draft.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
What happens if they don't sign him?

He goes back into the draft next year. No way for him to avoid the draft.

Nice

Bosa to demand trade?
San Diego Chargers rookie defensive end Joey Bosa is the only unsigned draft pick remaining from the 2016 draft, and the standoff between him and the team doesn't appear to be coming to an end anytime soon. The two sides reportedly haven't talked since July 28, and Bosa's mother, Cheryl, isn't happy about the situation. On Facebook, she responded to a post saying: "It bums me out for him so much. Wish we pulled an Eli Manning on draft day."

San Diego drafted Manning No. 1 overall in the 2004 draft, but Archie Manning said he didn't want his son to play for the Chargers. He ended up being traded to the New York Giants for No. 4 pick Philip Rivers, plus several other picks.

There's no guaranteed that Bosa will do the same, but there doesn't appear to be a resolution in sight - and Bosa's mother's post at least indicates they have thought about demanding a trade.


ICANHAZ Bosa AND Buckner plzzzzzzzzzzzz??????????

Originally posted by okdkid:
It's his right to stand his ground on what he believes is a fair deal. However, if the timing of the payment was a non-starter for Bosa's camp -- he should have made that clear pre-draft. If he did he likely would have slipped in the draft.

That's why the Chargers will just wait him out. This is not as serious to Bosa as it is to the Chargers. No rookie deal he would sign in 2017 can make up the money he will lose if he misses 2016. That's just basic math.

If he sits out the year: 1) He misses out on present dollars, 2) He will drop in next year's draft and lose on the rookie wage scale, 3) He is one year older and increasingly less likely to cash in on two big time FA contracts.

The Chargers know it, Bosa knows it. This is just a matter of time.

Not sure why you think the Chargers have all the leverage here. Even with no offset language or money up front or whatever it is Bosa is asking for, the Chargers are better off having him than not having him on the roster. Under the current CBA, rookies are paid significantly less than market value, so Bosa would still be getting a raw deal even with whatever bells and whistles he's asking for in the deal.

Bosa and his agent know this.

If one side had all the leverage, there would be no holdout, because it would be inevitable that one side would cave, so they'd be dragging each other through the mud for no reason.

In general, CBA's tend to favor veterans at the expense of rookies. The players with all the say in bargaining agreements tend to be veterans looking after themselves and they players who need money the most (rookies) get screwed. It also bothers me that the maximum contract in the NBA is based on leagues played in the year. There's no reason a falling 30+ year old star should be eligible to get paid more than a 25 year old who is just as good and will likely be much better over the next 5 years.

Don't know if Bosa would fit as a standup OLB in our system, since we have the Twin Towers at DE, but I wouldn't mind seeing him try. If you're going to dream, dream BIG.

What would the Chargers want? No way would I trade two 1sts

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
What happens if they don't sign him?

He goes back into the draft next year. No way for him to avoid the draft.

The Chargers also get jack squat out of it... basically a third overall pick goes up in smoke.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Not sure why you think the Chargers have all the leverage here. Even with no offset language or money up front or whatever it is Bosa is asking for, the Chargers are better off having him than not having him on the roster. Under the current CBA, rookies are paid significantly less than market value, so Bosa would still be getting a raw deal even with whatever bells and whistles he's asking for in the deal.

Bosa and his agent know this.

If one side had all the leverage, there would be no holdout, because it would be inevitable that one side would cave, so they'd be dragging each other through the mud for no reason.

In general, CBA's tend to favor veterans at the expense of rookies. The players with all the say in bargaining agreements tend to be veterans looking after themselves and they players who need money the most (rookies) get screwed. It also bothers me that the maximum contract in the NBA is based on leagues played in the year. There's no reason a falling 30+ year old star should be eligible to get paid more than a 25 year old who is just as good and will likely be much better over the next 5 years.

Market value? Market value has been determined. It's not like he can get a veteran FA deal. His market value is what the NFL says it is for the #3 pick.

This debate is moot. Bosa won't hold out all year. This stuff has popped up from time to time and it has never resulted in somebody re-entering the draft. Bosa loses big money if he does so. If Bosa's negotiating position is purely motivated by the dollars -- then he would be beyond stupid to hold out without a paycheck.

Originally posted by Jasta:

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I blame the FO stop pinching pennies and get it over with

From what I've read there's nothing particularly cheap about the deal they offered. He's got the same offset language as Elliot who's probably far more likely to get injured than Bosa is.

Caving in would basically set a precedent for every rookie to demand their entire salary is guaranteed regardless of whether they turn out to be Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf.

No no no that's not what's going on. It is generally accepted that if a rookie has offset language then they get all of their signing bonus up front, or if the team wants to defer part of the bonus to year 2 then no offset language. Having both is not real common and in the top 5 is pretty much unheard of.