QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Originally posted by Niners418:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 35m35 minutes ago
The buzz around the Browns and Carson Wentz at #2 is real.


I wonder where Goff goes if Wentz goes #2.

Hopefully to Chicago or STL in a trade with us for their 1st, 2nd and a mid-to late pick next year

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Hopefully to Chicago or STL in a trade with us for their 1st, 2nd and a mid-to late pick next year

I'd rather that the 49ers just draft him and start developing him. He'd be a terrific fit in Kelly's system.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Hopefully to Chicago or STL in a trade with us for their 1st, 2nd and a mid-to late pick next year

I'd rather that the 49ers just draft him and start developing him. He'd be a terrific fit in Kelly's system.

Yea as much as I want defense, if Goff is there we have to take him IMO

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I'd rather that the 49ers just draft him and start developing him. He'd be a terrific fit in Kelly's system.

I'd rather build the defense, Oline and add playmakers and see what we have in our QBs with a HC that has done wonders with mediocre players. If that fails, QB class next year is deeper and one will be available to step into a more established team. I wouldn't be upset if he was the pick but I'd certainly rather strengthen other areas while accumulating as many playmakers/impact players as possible. Bradford threw for damn near 4,000 yards even with his team leading the league in dropped passes. Foles threw for almost 3,000 yards, 27 TDs and 2 Ints in only 10 starts and 13 total games his first year in Chip's offense. I think both Kap and Gabbert can be just as good, if not better, if they have an Oline to play behind and some legit weapons to throw to.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Because Alex was drafted with the top pick. Gabbert was like what 10th. While they have had a decent/good career, they should be at the high in the draft like Peyton, Elway and others. You want someone who will be HOF material, if he wan't a bust, why is he still not with the team or have HOF numbers. You say because the Nolan and the niners suck. However use Jim Plunket, his team (patriots) were really bad (and I mean niners nolan bad), but he still had good numbers and even led them to the playoffs before injuries and what not led the pats to discard him to the.....49ers. The number one pick in the top 12 should be a QB that can lift the team on his shoulders. The top QBs, even when they lose wr and etc, can still serve up the numbers and lift the team-Rogers and Brady for example, they won't as dangerous with avg receivers but they still will make your secondary worry. Now if Alex was drafted later in the draft, say 20, then he would be of good value. It is hit or miss with all players, but the higher you pick they should be you hope ALL Pro/HOF caliber type players, not serviceable.

b******t that the 10th overall pick has to be one of the best players of all time at their position. A lot of players even picked in the top 10 never amount to anything more than average starters. If every player drafted in the top 10 of every draft was a Hall of Fame player, there'd be no room for anyone else in the Hall.

And QB should have a lower hit rate than other positions given it's the most important position. If a QB has a slightly worse chance of being a pro bow player than a running back, teams will value that QB way more than the RB. Alex Smith is now a borderline franchise QB. He's no bust.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

I saw a mock draft of Wentz going to the Browns. Is he really picking this much steam? I bet if he runs a 4.6 or 4.5 40 and has an amazing pro day this might happen. Which could carve the way for us to get goff

I'd be totally okay with that.

Then you gotta wonder why Goff slid.

If that happens, maybe we can trade back for a King's ransom to a team that desperately wants him?

It's possible that Wentz might fit better for their offense. Well it is a fair question I think Goff is the best qb in this draft and he is a bay area guy. The last 2 bay area QBs are pretty good aren't they .hopefully we don't pass this one up.

I kind of like Wentz more than Goff now. Don't know why, but watching him and the way he carries himself on the field at the Senior Bowl looks like he will be a stud. It is like he is the leader of the QB group and the other guys are more than happy to fallow him.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

I'd rather build the defense, Oline and add playmakers and see what we have in our QBs with a HC that has done wonders with mediocre players. If that fails, QB class next year is deeper and one will be available to step into a more established team. I wouldn't be upset if he was the pick but I'd certainly rather strengthen other areas while accumulating as many playmakers/impact players as possible. Bradford threw for damn near 4,000 yards even with his team leading the league in dropped passes. Foles threw for almost 3,000 yards, 27 TDs and 2 Ints in only 10 starts and 13 total games his first year in Chip's offense. I think both Kap and Gabbert can be just as good, if not better, if they have an Oline to play behind and some legit weapons to throw to.

I think you can do all that and add a QB. Because without a QB, you arent going anywhere and neither of the two QBs on the roster are the answer. Kaepernick is going into his 6th season with a lot of the same issues and poor mechanics that he's had sinxe entering the NFL as a rookie. Investing anymore time in him just for him to prove that he isnt the guy would be a mistake. Gabbert has shown nothing more than that he is capable of being a pretty good backup.


Either guy could be passable in Kelly's offense but passable isnt going to win you any SBs.


Kelly has done well with mediocre QBs, imagine what he could do with one who has as much upside as Goff, a guy who is perfectly suited for this offense coming out of a high tempo college spread offense, with the necessary QB IQ, quick release and demonstrated ability to move quickly through his progressions.


This team isnt going anywhere next season. Its going to be a 2-3 year process before this team gets anywhere if things go well. It would thus make sense to start developing a QB early.


I also disagree about next years QB class. Right now Watson looks like the lone 1st round caliber QB for 2017 and he will likely go in the top 3 picks if he has a good season, meaning the 49ers dont have a shot.


Yet they'll be bad enough to have a relatively high pick again, so I see no reason for them to forgo a QB that fits their offense, when they have a high enough pick to draft him if they really do like him.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
b******t that the 10th overall pick has to be one of the best players of all time at their position. A lot of players even picked in the top 10 never amount to anything more than average starters. If every player drafted in the top 10 of every draft was a Hall of Fame player, there'd be no room for anyone else in the Hall.

And QB should have a lower hit rate than other positions given it's the most important position. If a QB has a slightly worse chance of being a pro bow player than a running back, teams will value that QB way more than the RB. Alex Smith is now a borderline franchise QB. He's no bust.

What did I say? I said that of course that the draft is full of hits and misses, however my point is that for that value you aim for a player that you hope will be a pro bowler or hall of fame, or at least a player that is considered in the top 10 of his position. If he is just a serviceable player then it is a miss. No sugar coating it.

Also just because a player is the highest rated player at his position, are they worth the VALUE of that pick. At the very least you want the BPA or trade out. So many times teams reach and you know this! If you draft them at say #7, but in a good draft they wouldn't worth anything more than a 2nd or at best a very late 1st, why do you draft the person? Stupid if you draft him at 7 and he turns out to be just a Todd Blackledge when you could have had instead a JJ Watt, Patrick Willis (or pick your choice) player that would have solidified and impacted your team. That is another point-impact. At that high, you want an impact player.

So that is no BS....like I said teams reach and miss. There are guys who look stunning across the board but fail miserably, like a Bosworth or Mandrich, but their play in college AND at the combine were so high, yet you are going to settle?

BECAUSE QB have lower hit rate, you should be more cautious in your selection or as thousands of GMs will say, it will set you back big time if you miss. You don't have to draft a QB that high to win the lotto either. Montana, Brady, Warner, Brees, Warren Moon and many other Pro Bowl QBs were drafted later.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
It's possible that Wentz might fit better for their offense. Well it is a fair question I think Goff is the best qb in this draft and he is a bay area guy. The last 2 bay area QBs are pretty good aren't they .hopefully we don't pass this one up.

This. Because he is the type of QB that Hue Jackson likes in his QB's as far as size and athletic QB. He is gonna suck though if they don't surround him with talent until he developes his game which may never happen if his mind gets messed up first.

Originally posted by WildBill:

Montana, Brady, Warner, Brees, Warren Moon and many other Pro Bowl QBs were drafted later.

And how many guys that got drafted later didnt amount to anything? Since Montana was drafted in 1979....one QB drafted in the 3rd round has made the Pro Bowl....Russell Wilson who was drafted in 2012.

So 33 years later another guy from the 3rd round emerged as a top QB.


For every late round QB that excels there is about 20 guys that dont. Basically its a hope and a prayer at the very best.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Hopefully to Chicago or STL in a trade with us for their 1st, 2nd and a mid-to late pick next year

I'd rather that the 49ers just draft him and start developing him. He'd be a terrific fit in Kelly's system.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
And how many guys that got drafted later didnt amount to anything? Since Montana was drafted in 1979....one QB drafted in the 3rd round has made the Pro Bowl....Russell Wilson who was drafted in 2012.

So 33 years later another guy from the 3rd round emerged as a top QB.


For every late round QB that excels there is about 20 guys that dont. Basically its a hope and a prayer at the very best.

That is why since we have so many comp picks, I won't be against drafting say Adams and Hogan or whoever Kelly wants to take a chance on to increase the shot and prayer or hail mary if you will.

Still you have other QBs that can have that one or two good season and make it to the SB.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think you can do all that and add a QB. Because without a QB, you arent going anywhere and neither of the two QBs on the roster are the answer. Kaepernick is going into his 6th season with a lot of the same issues and poor mechanics that he's had sinxe entering the NFL as a rookie. Investing anymore time in him just for him to prove that he isnt the guy would be a mistake. Gabbert has shown nothing more than that he is capable of being a pretty good backup.


Either guy could be passable in Kelly's offense but passable isnt going to win you any SBs.


Kelly has done well with mediocre QBs, imagine what he could do with one who has as much upside as Goff, a guy who is perfectly suited for this offense coming out of a high tempo college spread offense, with the necessary QB IQ, quick release and demonstrated ability to move quickly through his progressions.


This team isnt going anywhere next season. Its going to be a 2-3 year process before this team gets anywhere if things go well. It would thus make sense to start developing a QB early.


I also disagree about next years QB class. Right now Watson looks like the lone 1st round caliber QB for 2017 and he will likely go in the top 3 picks if he has a good season, meaning the 49ers dont have a shot.


Yet they'll be bad enough to have a relatively high pick again, so I see no reason for them to forgo a QB that fits their offense, when they have a high enough pick to draft him if they really do like him.

Again, I wouldn't be opposed to it but I also know that unless Chip gets him a defense and Oline we aren't winning many more games than what we saw this year. I think Oline and Defense should be our top priorities because we don't know what we have in Kap or even Gabbert. What we do know about Kap is that his mechanics are bad and his progressions are not up to par, at this point.

What we also know about him is that he has 56 TDs to only 26 INTs to include 11 more rushing TDs, has won on the road in the playoffs, has broken records for QBs in big games and just about single handily led us to the SB when our defense sucked it up in the 2012 playoffs. All of that without a legit offensive-minded coach helping him out. Harbaugh was a great coach, but his offense is prehistoric and if it wasn't for our defense being THAT good and Kap taking the league by storm, there would be no three straight NFCCGs and one SB on his resume.

Build the trenches on both sides and grab some playmakers and that alone will make you more competitive. Add in an offensive-minded coach like Chip who has done no worse than 13th in offense and we are on to something. Goff is just as much as an unknown as Kap and Gabbert are in Chip's offense vs an NFL defense, he is just a new unknown as opposed to a 6 year unknown. Either way, Kap nor Gabbert has had the luxury up to this point to play in a system like Chip's but they both are still very young and possess NFL experience. Why not give them a legit shot?

Now if we can address Oline and Dline in Free Agency, and by address I mean add starters, than I would be all in on grabbing Goff at 7. But if not, a trade back with a team who wants nothing more than an opportunity to draft Goff, I say do it. We certainly aren't a QB away from the playoffs but we are certainly a couple of top pass rushers, oline, and playmaker away from winning 4 to 5 more games instantaneously. Our roster isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be and hell, Tomsula won 5 games with it

Originally posted by Niners418:
Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 35m35 minutes ago
The buzz around the Browns and Carson Wentz at #2 is real.


I wonder where Goff goes if Wentz goes #2.

DO IT HUE!!!