RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by Rascal:

That is not the point. You cannot possibly compare Freeman or Coleman to Fournette.

When we talk Fournette, we are talking Adrian Peterson and Beast Mode territory. In other words, creame de la creame top notch game-changing power back territory. We are talking about the type of back that can single-handedly carry the team and win games for you.

I am just totally gob-smacked that as a fan (not me personally obviously) of a team who has been repeatedly raped without fail in every game by the infamous bell cow tailback nicknamed Beast Mode wouldn't appreciate the unfair advantage of having such a powerful weapon on your offense. Just stunning, absolutely incredible!!

Lynch and AP weren't top 2 picks in the draft either...and lynch didn't come into his own until he was put in the right offense. Same goes for AP he'd be a mid level ZB running back but was a elite gap blocking power running RB. That's what LT COULD be. He lacks the cut back ability needed for those outside zone runs. He's a in between the tackle runner. I'd rather have zeke for sure.

And yes it is the pt, I'd take Freeman and Coleman over AP in a heartbeat...you can game plan for so much more, you don't have to burn a top 2 pick, and both aren't gonna cost you $10 million a yr.

Out of the top 10 rushers last year only 1 was drafted in the first round.

Just thought I'd add that to the debate.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lynch and AP weren't top 2 picks in the draft either...and lynch didn't come into his own until he was put in the right offense. Same goes for AP he'd be a mid level ZB running back but was a elite gap blocking power running RB. That's what LT COULD be. He lacks the cut back ability needed for those outside zone runs. He's a in between the tackle runner. I'd rather have zeke for sure.

And yes it is the pt, I'd take Freeman and Coleman over AP in a heartbeat...you can game plan for so much more, you don't have to burn a top 2 pick, and both aren't gonna cost you $10 million a yr.

I am not talking about where AP and Beast Mode were drafted. If you must know AP was a 1st round pick, drafted 7th overall. So what if he wasn't drafted 2nd overall? Is irrelevant. Every year there are different players, some may be taken slightly higher, some may be taken slightly lower.

No, it isn't the point, Freeman and Coleman are 2 backs, we are talking about more than just Fournette alone, we have Hyde too and on top of that we also have Juice as FB or as they call him OW.

Dude, you don't have to worry about any price tag at this point, the dude will be on a cheapo rookie contract for 4 years. Plus, the kind of impact you will be getting from the Fournette/Hyde tandem will be far more imposing than the Freeman/Coleman combo.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Out of the top 10 rushers last year only 1 was drafted in the first round.

Just thought I'd add that to the debate.

But, you forgot to mention the absolute top back last year as in the No.1 back of 2016 with over 1,600 yards was Ezekiel Elliott, the ONLY back taken in the 1st round.

This is a pretty interesting clip:

Originally posted by Rascal:

But, you forgot to mention the absolute top back last year as in the No.1 back of 2016 with over 1,600 yards was Ezekiel Elliott, the ONLY back taken in the 1st round.

You could have put 10+ other RBs in that situation and they get similar results

Originally posted by illinois9er:
You could have put 10+ other RBs in that situation and they get similar results

So, your point is Ezekiel Eliott sucks because he has a great O-line?

Originally posted by Rascal:

But, you forgot to mention the absolute top back last year as in the No.1 back of 2016 with over 1,600 yards was Ezekiel Elliott, the ONLY back taken in the 1st round.

Still doesn't change the fact that 9 out of the top 10 rushers were not first round picks.

Originally posted by Rascal:

So, your point is Ezekiel Eliott sucks because he has a great O-line?

That's clearly not his point. You really have lost all objectivity on the subject.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
That's clearly not his point. You really have lost all objectivity on the subject.

What is his point then?

I tried to point out Ezekiel Elliott is a pretty good back. He shot it down by saying more than 10+ backs could have rushed for 1,600 yards which may I remind you is a conjecture. He doesn't know that.

So, how is it I have lost all objectivity?

Don't think so, pal. LOL.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lynch and AP weren't top 2 picks in the draft either...and lynch didn't come into his own until he was put in the right offense. Same goes for AP he'd be a mid level ZB running back but was a elite gap blocking power running RB. That's what LT COULD be. He lacks the cut back ability needed for those outside zone runs. He's a in between the tackle runner. I'd rather have zeke for sure.

And yes it is the pt, I'd take Freeman and Coleman over AP in a heartbeat...you can game plan for so much more, you don't have to burn a top 2 pick, and both aren't gonna cost you $10 million a yr.

I am not talking about where AP and Beast Mode were drafted. If you must know AP was a 1st round pick, drafted 7th overall. So what if he wasn't drafted 2nd overall? Is irrelevant. Every year there are different players, some may be taken slightly higher, some may be taken slightly lower.

No, it isn't the point, Freeman and Coleman are 2 backs, we are talking about more than just Fournette alone, we have Hyde too and on top of that we also have Juice as FB or as they call him OW.

Dude, you don't have to worry about any price tag at this point, the dude will be on a cheapo rookie contract for 4 years. Plus, the kind of impact you will be getting from the Fournette/Hyde tandem will be far more imposing than the Freeman/Coleman combo.

I am talking about where they were drafted. I know when both were drafted hence why I brought it up...neither were top 2 picks.

That's they whole point...great RBs can be found all over the draft and it happens every single yr man. We need MUCH MUCH more help at other areas outside of RB, in fact that's probably the least important position we have currently. Drafting a guy to split carries at two is a joke.

The shanahan's have been able to take RB's and turn them into studs, so why the heck not let them do that? This draft is chalk full of talent at RB probably one of the best drafts in some time, yet you want to bust a nut on a guy who IMO isn't gonna last long based on his running style and isn't even a great fit for Kyle's scheme.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Still doesn't change the fact that 9 out of the top 10 rushers were not first round picks.

So, may be we can use this drafted by round argument to talk QBs too? I mean on a different thread of course.

But, please clarify for me so that I am clear, so you are saying no one should draft an Elliott or Adrian Peterson in the 1st round, is that your point?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I am talking about where they were drafted. I know when both were drafted hence why I brought it up...neither were top 2 picks.

That's they whole point...great RBs can be found all over the draft and it happens every single yr man. We need MUCH MUCH more help at other areas outside of RB, in fact that's probably the least important position we have currently. Drafting a guy to split carries at two is a joke.

The shanahan's have been able to take RB's and turn them into studs, so why the heck not let them do that? This draft is chalk full of talent at RB probably one of the best drafts in some time, yet you want to bust a nut on a guy who IMO isn't gonna last long based on his running style and isn't even a great fit for Kyle's scheme.

This draft is chalk full of defensive players too. Loads of EDGE, CB, you name it.

OK, forget about rounds for the moment, so if I say I would love a back the resembles Beast Mode or an Adrian Peterson for example, which back would you recommend to me?

Originally posted by Rascal:

What is his point then?

I tried to point up Ezekiel Elliott is a pretty good back. He shot it down by saying more than 10+ backs could have rushed for 1,600 yards which may I remind you is a conjecture. He doesn't know that.

So, how is it I have lost all objectivity?

Don't think so, pal. LOL.

His point was the Cowboys O-line is extremely strong, and that gave Elliot a much higher chance of success.

Saying 10+ might have been an exageration but you of all people should be able to recognise that considering how you embelish constantly to try and prove your point.

Anyone who doubts Fournette is "trashing" him to you, you've already said that not taking Fournette would be a ridiculous Baalke like move. You've already decided that anything other than your choice is the wrong one.

That is the definition of having no objectivity.

Originally posted by Rascal:

So, may be we can use this drafted by round argument to talk QBs too? I mean on a different thread of course.

But, please clarify for me so that I am clear, so you are saying no one should draft an Elliott or Adrian Peterson in the 1st round, is that your point?

No that's not my point. That's not even close and nowhere in my posts would a person with any common sense make that assumption.

Besides it's not an argument. It's factual information that 9 out of 10 rushers last season were not taken in the first round. I just put it out there and it can't be disputed.

You can interpret that anyway you want and try to put made up "points" into my posts to greatly exagerate and deflect from anything that doesn't amount to "Go Fournette Go". Really doesn't bother me either way.