RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, the answer is we had a historically bad team (on both sides of the ball), period!!

Our defense was historically bad. Pretty sure we surrendered the most rushing yards in a game and set some other records nobody should be proud of.

Our offense was bad as well but our rushing attack despite a terrible passing attack and poor play from the OL was 4th in yards. That was the one bright spot on the team. So the fact that you want to improve that part with #2 overall kinda blows my mind.

Hyde was 6th DYAR, 11th in ypa, and did this behind the 32nd ranked pass blocking line. He had gabbert and Kap as his qb and was in one of the most predicable offensive schemes...He was far from the issue lol.

For people to say that offense is a bigger issue then our historically bad defense is a damn joke.

Agreed here. I can't see us not drafting defense at 2 give the options available, and while i can't rule him out and feel he may be a sleeper pick for us, I honestly dont see it happening as Hyde is the least of our worries. So many man-crushes with Fournette in here lol

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by genus49:

Our defense was historically bad. Pretty sure we surrendered the most rushing yards in a game and set some other records nobody should be proud of.

Our offense was bad as well but our rushing attack despite a terrible passing attack and poor play from the OL was 4th in yards. That was the one bright spot on the team. So the fact that you want to improve that part with #2 overall kinda blows my mind.

Sums it up nicely.

realistic people

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Agreed here. I can't see us not drafting defense at 2 give the options available, and while i can't rule him out and feel he may be a sleeper pick for us, I honestly dont see it happening as Hyde is the least of our worries. So many man-crushes with Fournette in here lol

It's mind boggling...I get it people want the flashly star player regardless if he's a fit or a need.

If we were a playoff team with a FQB & a stud gap blocking OL id be okay with it....but we're the furtherest thing from that. Give me kamara, hunt, Mack, or even cook if he falls in the 2nd over a RB with the 2nd overall pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed here. I can't see us not drafting defense at 2 give the options available, and while i can't rule him out and feel he may be a sleeper pick for us, I honestly dont see it happening as Hyde is the least of our worries. So many man-crushes with Fournette in here lol

It's mind boggling...I get it people want the flashly star player regardless if he's a fit or a need.

If we were a playoff team with a FQB & a stud gap blocking OL id be okay with it....but we're the furtherest thing from that. Give me kamara, hunt, Mack, or even cook if he falls in the 2nd over a RB with the 2nd overall pick.

100%. The football fan in me sees Fournette at Carolina and thinks WOW thats a prefect match - Id love to see that. QB in place, solid D. Makes sense. I do not feel that way about our team. We need to improve the defense!

Originally posted by genus49:
THIS you mostly agree with lol?

So you guys want to pretend our defense wasn't atrocious last season and needs help all over?

And in a draft that's acclaimed for its defensive talent you want to go heavy on offense?

That makes sense to you?

Ex I've seen you throw out mocks without a single offensive player being drafted. We had a bottom offense with Chip f'n Kelly as our head coach. The talent is crap on that side too. Don't overrate Shanny's abilities. He's run top offenses only with elite offensive talent.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Ex I've seen you throw out mocks without a single offensive player being drafted. We had a bottom offense with Chip f'n Kelly as our head coach. The talent is crap on that side too. Don't overrate Shanny's abilities. He's run top offenses only with elite offensive talent.

If we trade down I could live with Williams or Davis. RB regardless of who at two is poo poo a trade down changes everything though.

I think we need a balanced draft it just happens that the best players at the most important positions are on defense at the top.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed here. I can't see us not drafting defense at 2 give the options available, and while i can't rule him out and feel he may be a sleeper pick for us, I honestly dont see it happening as Hyde is the least of our worries. So many man-crushes with Fournette in here lol

It's mind boggling...I get it people want the flashly star player regardless if he's a fit or a need.

If we were a playoff team with a FQB & a stud gap blocking OL id be okay with it....but we're the furtherest thing from that. Give me kamara, hunt, Mack, or even cook if he falls in the 2nd over a RB with the 2nd overall pick.

100%. The football fan in me sees Fournette at Carolina and thinks WOW thats a prefect match - Id love to see that. QB in place, solid D. Makes sense. I do not feel that way about our team. We need to improve the defense!

Makes me wish they would make that trade, but at the same time I do not want to risk missing out on Solomon Thomas. Maybe trade down to 8 and back up to 6 if Carolina wants Fournette that bad. Honestly, if I'm Carolina, I just might make that trade.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
THIS you mostly agree with lol?

So you guys want to pretend our defense wasn't atrocious last season and needs help all over?

And in a draft that's acclaimed for its defensive talent you want to go heavy on offense?

That makes sense to you?

Ex I've seen you throw out mocks without a single offensive player being drafted. We had a bottom offense with Chip f'n Kelly as our head coach. The talent is crap on that side too. Don't overrate Shanny's abilities. He's run top offenses only with elite offensive talent.

We don't need a top offense next year. We also are not going to rebuild this team in a single year. We spent the majority of our money in free agency on offense, which while bad, it wasn't the worse we have seen. The 2016 49ers defense is among the worse I've seen. It reminded me of our pass D from 1999. Now I am not saying that we should completely ignore the offense. I do want to add a second running back (4th round), a QB, and maybe a receiver. But honestly, I'd rather focus on adding some immediate (or soon to be) starters on defense, get our guys on offense acclimated to Kyle's system, and then add some elite rookies on the offensive side of the ball next year with our early picks.

And as for Chip Kelly's 49ers, the offense was ranked 27th in points and 31st in yards. We were 32nd in both categories on defense. The defense's level of suckage is a little higher lol.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
That is just BS. Fournette hasn't even played a down in the NFL. Going by that logic, you can say that about anyone in the draft. Why not say Carlos Hyde has proven a lot more than Myles Garrett has in the NFL then?! LOL.

He has...we're not drafting Garrett(he won't be available) to replace him though are we?

You can think that's Bs but that's a fact. You want to upgrade the only good thing we had on the team last year and making an assumption this kid will be that much better and stay healthy himself when he couldn't stay healthy at LSU.

It's one thing if you're taking a guy high to improve an area thats weak. different situation to use #2 on an area of strength because you actually don't know whether he ends up being better.

If a guy drafted that high fails to live up to expectations it sucks either way but if you add him to a unit that's already playing well, pay him all that money and he may not even see the field to get better if he's not better than the existing guy then it sucks that much more.

Did you say we have a rushing unit that is already playing well? Hmm, that's interesting.

Have you by any chance looked into the production of our RB corps?

Allow me to enlighten you with some interesting numbers if I may.

Our total rushing yards was 2,019 yards.

Carlos Hyde had 988 yards, less than 50% of the total rushing production.

The only remaining RBs with the current roster amounted to jack. DuJuan Harris with 138 yards and Mike Davis with 50 yards. LOL.

The bulk of the remaining yards were in fact contributed by Kap with 468 yards which was higher than 3 of the 4 RBs.

And if you were to take away Kap's rushing yards, our total rushing yards would be reduced to 1,551 yards which would have ranked at a lowly 26th. Did you know that??!!

So, the conclusion in fact is our RB corps sucks!!!

Hopefully, that should settle it.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Ex I've seen you throw out mocks without a single offensive player being drafted. We had a bottom offense with Chip f'n Kelly as our head coach. The talent is crap on that side too. Don't overrate Shanny's abilities. He's run top offenses only with elite offensive talent.

I'm not overstating his abilities but this isn't a one year project.

Use this draft for its strength and go heavy on defense unless the board screams offense as BPA.

Next year go offense. It becomes even easier if we can sign Cousins, though I'm still hopeful to land one of the top QBs next year.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
We don't need a top offense next year. We also are not going to rebuild this team in a single year. We spent the majority of our money in free agency on offense, which while bad, it wasn't the worse we have seen. The 2016 49ers defense is among the worse I've seen. It reminded me of our pass D from 1999. Now I am not saying that we should completely ignore the offense. I do want to add a second running back (4th round), a QB, and maybe a receiver. But honestly, I'd rather focus on adding some immediate (or soon to be) starters on defense, get our guys on offense acclimated to Kyle's system, and then add some elite rookies on the offensive side of the ball next year with our early picks.

And as for Chip Kelly's 49ers, the offense was ranked 27th in points and 31st in yards. We were 32nd in both categories on defense. The defense's level of suckage is a little higher lol.

We're not going to be good anyway you skin this but remember offense typically has a longer learning curve. If we miss out on KC and have to go to the draft that qb will most likely take 3 years, receivers typically take 2-3 years to hit their peak. Rb's are immediate but I hope we didn't bring in Shanny without the expectations of carrying Atl's offense with us. You don't get that with Hoyer throwing to Pierre Garcon, Aldon Robinson, Marquis Goodwin.

Bottom 5 offense with Chip Kelly. All Kelly defenses go 32nd no surprise there.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Did you say we have a rushing unit that is already playing well? Hmm, that's interesting.

Have you by any chance looked into the production of our RB corps?

Allow me to enlighten you with some interesting numbers if I may.

Our total rushing yards was 2,019 yards.

Carlos Hyde had 988 yards, less than 50% of the total rushing production.

The only remaining RBs with the current roster amounted to jack. DuJuan Harris with 138 yards and Mike Davis with 50 yards. LOL.

The bulk of the remaining yards were in fact contributed by Kap with 468 yards which was higher than 3 of the 4 RBs.

And if you were to take away Kap's rushing yards, our total rushing yards would be reduced to 1,551 yards which would have ranked at a lowly 26th. Did you know that??!!

So, the conclusion in fact is our RB corps sucks!!!

Hopefully, that should settle it.

You can't just magically remove a players numbers and assume nobody else replaces those numbers. Hyde putting up nearly 1k with no passing game to take the heat off him is huge.

Our RB corps need depth. They do not suck.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed here. I can't see us not drafting defense at 2 give the options available, and while i can't rule him out and feel he may be a sleeper pick for us, I honestly dont see it happening as Hyde is the least of our worries. So many man-crushes with Fournette in here lol

Would you take Hershel Walker at #2? I wish that a super-great defensive player was there, but there isn't one.

Fournette looks to be at about the same talent level as Hershel Walker

Best Options for the #2 pick:
1. Trade down for several picks
2. Myles Garrett (if Browns take Trubisky)
3. Trubisky (all-pro QB potential)
4. Fournette (get a great RB for the best 5 years of his life on a cheaper rookie contract)

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Did you say we have a rushing unit that is already playing well? Hmm, that's interesting.

Have you by any chance looked into the production of our RB corps?

Allow me to enlighten you with some interesting numbers if I may.

Our total rushing yards was 2,019 yards.

Carlos Hyde had 988 yards, less than 50% of the total rushing production.

The only remaining RBs with the current roster amounted to jack. DuJuan Harris with 138 yards and Mike Davis with 50 yards. LOL.

The bulk of the remaining yards were in fact contributed by Kap with 468 yards which was higher than 3 of the 4 RBs.

And if you were to take away Kap's rushing yards, our total rushing yards would be reduced to 1,551 yards which would have ranked at a lowly 26th. Did you know that??!!

So, the conclusion in fact is our RB corps sucks!!!

Hopefully, that should settle it.

You can't just magically remove a players numbers and assume nobody else replaces those numbers. Hyde putting up nearly 1k with no passing game to take the heat off him is huge.

Our RB corps need depth. They do not suck.

WTF!!

Those 468 yards were from a QB for God's sake!!!

I didn't remove jack, those yards cannot possibly be counted as a RB corps production. No way!!

We are talking about RBs here, aren't we so that we are clear????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how the fxxk does our RB corps not suck if we rank 26th in rushing???

Now, you are bending facts to the point of ridiculous!!!

Originally posted by Rascal:

WTF!!

Those 468 yards were from a QB for God's sake!!!

I didn't remove jack, those yards cannot possibly be counted as a RB corps production. No way!!

We are talking about RBs here, aren't we so that we are clear????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how the fxxk does our RB corps not suck if we rank 26th in rushing???

Now, you are bending facts to the point of ridiculous!!!

What are you talking about? Btw...you got enough ?! In there?????

Some of Kap's runs were on scrambles. Bunch were designed runs. You want to remove those and pretend those runs don't somehow go to a RB?

What you're doing is taking away runs by a QB and saying without them we're awful. If we gave those carries to the RBs only we're not that low. Yet I'm the one bending facts?