RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by Rascal:
I am very chilled actually. But, you know some people just like to argue for the sake of argue when there is absolutely zero to argue about. Leonard Fournette is the undisputed No.1 running back in this draft and a top 10 best player in 99% of the big boards out there whether people like it or not. It was a very long time ago when I was a teenager, is just terribly childish to have to continue with such an exchange, not to mention it will hijack the thread. They should do what Facebook does and install a block function, that way we can have more peace in this world. LOL.

I am very chilled actually. But, you know some people just like to argue for the sake of argue when there is absolutely zero to argue about. Jadaveon Clowney is the undisputed No.1 defensive player in this draft and a top 10 best player in 99% of the big boards out there whether people like it or not. It was a very long time ago when I was a teenager, is just terribly childish to have to continue with such an exchange, not to mention it will hijack the thread. They should do what Facebook does and install a block function, that way we can have more peace in this world. LOL.

Corrected...for fun.

Love, Khalil Mack.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
I think he's simply nitpicking, rightfully so cause that's a MASSIVE decision to take Fournette at #2 when Kyle got a former 6th round pick in Alfred Morris to hit 1600 effing yards. The highest back taken when a Shanahan was on the team has to be Tatum Bell/Clinton Portis right? both second rounders.

The thought of Fournette does sound bad ass and we could make it work IMO easily.

And my response to people always saying that the Shannahans make something of nothing with RB's....Yes they do. But what could they do with an actual top flight talent at RB?

What could they have done with Adrian Peterson in his prime? I would imagine Adrian Petersons numbers would have been inflated with Shanny as his coach.

Yes system is a thing, but as shanny said himself, outside of QB's and OL, it not as important. Definitely not as important as talent.

If Kyle can make 2nd - 4th rounders look like stars then no doubt he can make Fournette work. That's not even a debate IMO.

However I'm very much on the side of taking a later pick RB if it means we get a lesser RB who will still be productive, but get a genuine stud in an area of need in the 1st.

It's not a case of whether Fournette is or will be a good player.

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
If Kyle can make 2nd - 4th rounders look like stars then no doubt he can make Fournette work. That's not even a debate IMO.

However I'm very much on the side of taking a later pick RB if it means we get a lesser RB who will still be productive, but get a genuine stud in an area of need in the 1st.

It's not a case of whether Fournette is or will be a good player.

If i had my choice i would take the blockbuster trade down. Unfortunately the stars dont always align, and we may very well be forced to spend that #2 pick. Im Ok with taking the big names being talked about outside of QB's at #2. I will trust whatever the FO decides.

Originally posted by Rascal:
I am very chilled actually. But, you know some people just like to argue for the sake of argue when there is absolutely zero to argue about. Leonard Fournette is the undisputed No.1 running back in this draft and a top 10 best player in 99% of the big boards out there whether people like it or not. It was a very long time ago when I was a teenager, is just terribly childish to have to continue with such an exchange, not to mention it will hijack the thread. They should do what Facebook does and install a block function, that way we can have more peace in this world. LOL.

There have been many 'undisputed best' picks that have been busts. That means nothing. I can find unflattering articles on Fournette and how he isn't a fit for different offenses. I pray the ' 49er interest ' is a smokescreen.

Fournette not an ideal fit for 49ers
Is Fournette a fit for Jaguars offense

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I am very chilled actually. But, you know some people just like to argue for the sake of argue when there is absolutely zero to argue about. Jadaveon Clowney is the undisputed No.1 defensive player in this draft and a top 10 best player in 99% of the big boards out there whether people like it or not. It was a very long time ago when I was a teenager, is just terribly childish to have to continue with such an exchange, not to mention it will hijack the thread. They should do what Facebook does and install a block function, that way we can have more peace in this world. LOL.

Corrected...for fun.

Love, Khalil Mack.

Do you want to do one on Myles Garrett too while you are at it?

Originally posted by tommyncal:
There have been many 'undisputed best' picks that have been busts. That means nothing. I can find unflattering articles on Fournette and how he isn't a fit for different offenses. I pray the ' 49er interest ' is a smokescreen.

Fournette not an ideal fit for 49ers
Is Fournette a fit for Jaguars offense

Are we still talking about system fit?

Didn't Kyle already say system fit is overrated??

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Fine, but your purposefully glossing over my point. You literally just like three pages ago call Fournette a Horrible fit for the zone scheme, and now you are saying he is "not ideal" when people start talking about the extremes you are taking to try to prove your position that RB, any RB, is not a fit at #2.

I think he would be great in Shanahans system. 1200+ yards rushing and 400 yards receiving type of back. I have watched every single game of Fournettes, not just highlights. He can make any cut asked, and his hands are plenty good for an NFL RB. I do see solid burst as well. He is likely the best RB his College has ever seen, and thats saying something.

Trying to make Fournette sound like a second round pick to try to prove that RB at #2 is a bad idea is ruining your entire argument.

No I'll say what I've said since day one he's not a fit for ZBS...he's not the best RB in the last two yrs, let alone ever lol... zeke is a better back then him.

What makes you think he will have 400 rec yards? He had 15 catches last yr. show me all the cut back ability, show me the vision because I don't see it. He's big and fast which is good. He's got 2nd gear speed not crazy burst...poor vert and not doing broad, 20 yard prove that.

I don't think ANY RB is with worth a 2nd overall pick...in any daft. And yes I don't think he's worth it based on what I said, the position he plays, and the talent at the position in this draft.

If we draft him I hope he kills it

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
If i had my choice i would take the blockbuster trade down. Unfortunately the stars dont always align, and we may very well be forced to spend that #2 pick. Im Ok with taking the big names being talked about outside of QB's at #2. I will trust whatever the FO decides.

Trading down is my first choice too, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. I'm not expecting there to be much on offer in regards to a trade.

If Shanalynch feels Fournette is the best at 2 then I hope he's Hall of Fame bound. Truth be told I don't have a favourite guy in the top 10 who I would be eager to get or upset if we didn't. After Garrett, who I don't even consider an option, it's all horses for courses. I don't think Fournette is the horse for our course, but if that's how it plays out then go 9ers.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
And my response to people always saying that the Shannahans make something of nothing with RB's....Yes they do. But what could they do with an actual top flight talent at RB?

What could they have done with Adrian Peterson in his prime? I would imagine Adrian Petersons numbers would have been inflated with Shanny as his coach.

Yes system is a thing, but as shanny said himself, outside of QB's and OL, it not as important. Definitely not as important as talent.

Adrain Peterson would of ran for 4,000 yards in a Shanahan offense!!! ....Now back to reality.... He would of put up similar career numbers. Also Peterson for all of his greatness only has 1 playoff win. In his 2,000 yard season they lost 24-10 in the Wild Card game and he failed to get 100 yards.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

I think he's simply nitpicking, rightfully so cause that's a MASSIVE decision to take Fournette at #2 when Kyle got a former 6th round pick in Alfred Morris to hit 1600 effing yards. The highest back taken when a Shanahan was on the team has to be Tatum Bell/Clinton Portis right? both second rounders.

The thought of Fournette does sound bad ass and we could make it work IMO easily.

And my response to people always saying that the Shannahans make something of nothing with RB's....Yes they do. But what could they do with an actual top flight talent at RB?

What could they have done with Adrian Peterson in his prime? I would imagine Adrian Petersons numbers would have been inflated with Shanny as his coach.

Yes system is a thing, but as shanny said himself, outside of QB's and OL, it not as important. Definitely not as important as talent.

If he had Fournette he'd get like 1800 yards out of him over 1600 from Morris. Not worth it when you consider all the high level prospects our defense needs so damn bad.

Fournette may boost our ypg by 40 a d ppg by 3.5 over a later round back

Missing on top tier defensive talent will make it so 3.5 extra points is not enough.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Way to go, Idaho, you can carry the flag for a bit. I need to have a coffee break. LOL.

I was the first to carry it LOL. I just took a break to let you have at it for awhile lol.

Alright, you the man. Welcome back, is about time you came back. The hate is strong on this one. LOL.

Honestly, its understandable. I am pretty much in agreeance with the camp that says you never draft a RB that high. But i also feel Fournette is indeed a generational type of RB (i know people make fun of this stance often). If Garrett is gone i would draft him at #2 in a heart beat. I personally feel he is the #1 player in this draft.

Oh no doubt about it, ex-Garrett, Fournette rules this draft.

Like I have mentioned before, yes there are quite a few playmakers in this draft no doubt like your Adams of the world, Fosters of the world, Allens of the world, Hookers of the world, etc. Playmakers yes, but they are not difference makers that Fournette is. If you gauge impact as the key attribute of a top player then no one else comes close. Fourmette is the closest thing to plug-and-play instantaneous impact.

Plus if you look at offensive vs defensive players, I just think strategically it makes more sense to at least try to get the offense going first as you will need to be able to put up points to give yourself a chance to win a few games. This rebuilding process will take a while, a few wins will go a long way to help keep the team morale intact.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Oh no doubt about it, ex-Garrett, Fournette rules this draft.

Like I have mentioned before, yes there are quite a few playmakers in this draft no doubt like your Adams of the world, Fosters of the world, Allens of the world, Hookers of the world, etc. Playmakers yes, but they are not difference makers that Fournette is. If you gauge impact as the key attribute of a top player then no one else comes close. Fourmette is the closest thing to plug-and-play instantaneous impact.

Plus if you look at offensive vs defensive players, I just think strategically it makes more sense to at least try to get the offense going first as you will need to be able to put up points to give yourself a chance to win a few games. This rebuilding process will take a while, a few wins will go a long way to help keep the team morale intact.

His ankles are gonna be shot by the time we have a solid team if we don't go defense in the first.

Not even Drew Brees and that high powered offense can make the playoffs without defense.

Can someone explain to me how many teams we've seen win the SB lately on the back of their RB without a decent QB and great defense in place?

Our running game was about the only decent thing on last years team. We couldn't pass the ball. We couldn't stop the run and we couldn't stop the pass. Assuming Fournette is a stud...how much does a stud RB really improve this team?

Does he improve it yeah probably. Does he improve it more than a stud DLman or DB? Everyone loves to bring up Dallas last year, they were a playoff team with a healthy QB and a good RB the year prior and had a monster OL just waiting for a RB to put behind it. They had the receivers to go with it...just need a RB. Our offense is a total mess right now. Maybe not as bad as last year but injuries or not our RBs are the most proven skill positions on our offense right now.

Hyde, Hightower, Harris, etc...and Juice. We didn't pay him all that dough to be a blocker or sit on the bench. So now we want to spend #2 overall on a RB with all our other needs? I just don't get the love. Yeah he's a talented kid but he may not even be the best back on his college team. How special is he? It was clear Zeke was better than Hyde. Adrian a Peterson didn't have anyone outshining him at Oklahoma.

Man I really hope we don't take this kid.