My Do Not Draft board.......

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
It's hard to get a grip on what you consider good route running. Look at how NFL players run route and how Parker does. He's either real lazy in his route running or just doesn't have the balance and suddenness to sink his hips and get out.

You can average 20 yards a catch with sub par separation when:

* You are good at hauling in jump balls with a defender draped all over you
* Your RAC ability and size helps you take plays where most WR's get tackled on into long gains


Stats and football skills don't directly correlate. You can't say he gets great separation because of a stat and ignore that the game tape rarely shows him with a couple steps on a defender and constantly being forced to make contested grabs.

You know there are Guys on Here that are HUNG-UP on STATS,college stats,They are NOT looking at the overall picture of this GUY(Parker) He`s NOT the player you think he is,But are looking at some of things I see,AND some of you guys keep Harping on one freaking Game,Florida State,I`m not impressed,when Parker get to the pros,and HOPEFULLY not my9ers,you will see what some of us have been trying to teach you,but you guys are CORRECT keep looking at those STATS,they are your eye-candy,ooh ahh,20 yds/per catch, ,4.45 COMBINE time,but it does not translate on the field,just like Perriman 4.3 timed 40 does NOT translate to his on the field speed,you Guys can have your STATS,have fun with them,btw this is not directed you Lowertheboom

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

What are you talking about bro? Will I be mad at Baalke for not drafting a player that will be gone before we make a pick? No. Just like I wasn't mad that he didn't draft Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Green, and Jones. I trust Baalke. I am not a part of the doesn't know how to evaluate WRs camp. AJ Jenkins was really his only high round miss. The question is would you be mad if he does draft him?

BTW, There are plenty of WRs that have made a career of beating DBs who were on them like velcro. Boldin, Cris Carter, and Michael Irvin were never open, but always open. I know, I know Parker is not in the same stratosphere as those guys, but I brought them up to show that WRs need to use more than just speed to get open.

If you really struggle getting off the press, then you will struggle most in the redzone because DBs don't have to worry about you getting by them. (see crabtree in the Superbowl) One of Parker's strengths is in the redzone so he must not be that bad at shedding press coverage. Ofcourse he can gain strength and can improve his size, but AJ Green is a stick and still manages to get off the line so I don't see why Parker would be incapable of doing so.

I don't think Parker gets past the Vikings at 11.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Ya, what an idiot. What could he possibly learn from a former thug that was able to realize what's important in life and turn his career around to carve out HOF career and become a world champion?

Marcus Peters was kicked off his team for arguing with a coach during practice, and his HC still gave scouts good reviews. He's competitive and probably wanted to win and got stuck on a crappy program.

The Coaching Staff of the Seahawks would not give him the ball at the 1 yard line on second down. Why?

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
The Coaching Staff of the Seahawks would not give him the ball at the 1 yard line on second down. Why?

lol, you win.

Pete Carroll didn't give Marshawn Lynch the ball at the 1 yd line in the Super Bowl because he knows Lynch is really still doing the same things he did early in his career and being a thug. That matters to Pete Carroll much more than winning the Super Bowl. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the defensive formation the Pats were in.

That's also the same reason they are giving him a pay raise and extending his contract.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
What are you talking about bro? Will I be mad at Baalke for not drafting a player that will be gone before we make a pick? No. Just like I wasn't mad that he didn't draft Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Green, and Jones. I trust Baalke. I am not a part of the doesn't know how to evaluate WRs camp. AJ Jenkins was really his only high round miss. The question is would you be mad if he does draft him?

BTW, There are plenty of WRs that have made a career of beating DBs who were on them like velcro. Boldin, Cris Carter, and Michael Irvin were never open, but always open. I know, I know Parker is not in the same stratosphere as those guys, but I brought them up to show that WRs need to use more than just speed to get open.

If you really struggle getting off the press, then you will struggle most in the redzone because DBs don't have to worry about you getting by them. (see crabtree in the Superbowl) One of Parker's strengths is in the redzone so he must not be that bad at shedding press coverage. Ofcourse he can gain strength and can improve his size, but AJ Green is a stick and still manages to get off the line so I don't see why Parker would be incapable of doing so.

I don't think Parker gets past the Vikings at 11.

The guys you are comparing him to are MUCH better route runners and MUCH more physically imposing. If Michael Irvin didn't get great separation in the NFL despite being a disciplined, precise route runner... what makes you feel that Parker will?

I don't think Parker is a bad player, and I am not saying he will likely be a failure... but he does have some significant flaws that could really negate the things he does well at the next level. I personally don't want him because I think he is the most likely to bust of all the big name WR's.

He's an unpolished AJ Green, personally, I don't see the physical traits in him to develop as a route runner. Guys who do have flexible hips and quick, sudden feet. Don't see that in him.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
The guys you are comparing him to are MUCH better route runners and MUCH more physically imposing. If Michael Irvin didn't get great separation in the NFL despite being a disciplined, precise route runner... what makes you feel that Parker will?

I don't think Parker is a bad player, and I am not saying he will likely be a failure... but he does have some significant flaws that could really negate the things he does well at the next level. I personally don't want him because I think he is the most likely to bust of all the big name WR's.

He's an unpolished AJ Green, personally, I don't see the physical traits in him to develop as a route runner. Guys who do have flexible hips and quick, sudden feet. Don't see that in him.

If he is an unpolished AJ, get the guy polished and he should be fine right? How do you know AJ's hips and feet are so much "physically" better than Parker's? How can you tell what is traits and what is polish? What about a WR like Jordy Nelson? Do you really think he has superior physical traits to Parker?

Also, did you just call Michael Irvin a disciplined route runner? Did you watch him play? He hardly beat DBs with route running. He was a go up and get it WR. And I agree that he is 10 times more physical than Parker, the point I was trying to make is that WRs have multiple ways of beating defenders and don't always need "separation." Irvin has said that he almost prefers not to have separation because if he has you close the he can push off at the last minute and gain separation that way. Irvin was a master at pushing off and not getting flagged for it.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
What are you talking about bro? Will I be mad at Baalke for not drafting a player that will be gone before we make a pick? No. Just like I wasn't mad that he didn't draft Watkins, Evans, Beckham, Green, and Jones. I trust Baalke. I am not a part of the doesn't know how to evaluate WRs camp. AJ Jenkins was really his only high round miss. The question is would you be mad if he does draft him?

BTW, There are plenty of WRs that have made a career of beating DBs who were on them like velcro. Boldin, Cris Carter, and Michael Irvin were never open, but always open. I know, I know Parker is not in the same stratosphere as those guys, but I brought them up to show that WRs need to use more than just speed to get open.

If you really struggle getting off the press, then you will struggle most in the redzone because DBs don't have to worry about you getting by them. (see crabtree in the Superbowl) One of Parker's strengths is in the redzone so he must not be that bad at shedding press coverage. Ofcourse he can gain strength and can improve his size, but AJ Green is a stick and still manages to get off the line so I don't see why Parker would be incapable of doing so.

I don't think Parker gets past the Vikings at 11.

I don`t think I would be mad,disappointed yes if parker were drafted by the 9ers, but I have a feeling that He will be gone before the 15th pick which will put a smile on my face, and yes those wrs you mentioned are HOFs and future HOFers,Parker does not even have the make up to be put in the class with those guys, "come on man."

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

This is what I see in Parker and it is not just the Belk Bowl Game but if you look at all the games he has played in in 2014 there is the same freaking pattern,You never hardly ever see Him wide open or separated from the defenders, and that will not cut it in the NFL,I pray and Hope he gets drafted before the 9ers pick,He`s a bad Blocker also and He`s always getting caught from behind because of lack off break away speed,don`t care what the time was in the COMBINE,look at the field speed of his games,does it look 4.45? ........@ You NYNINER85

Wait, he struggles to get separation yet he still managed to catch 138 balls in the 3 seasons he played at Louisville?
With 27 Tds and 2784 yards?

Sign me up, sounds like Anquan 2.0

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
If he is an unpolished AJ, get the guy polished and he should be fine right? How do you know AJ's hips and feet are so much "physically" better than Parker's? How can you tell what is traits and what is polish? What about a WR like Jordy Nelson? Do you really think he has superior physical traits to Parker?

Also, did you just call Michael Irvin a disciplined route runner? Did you watch him play? He hardly beat DBs with route running. He was a go up and get it WR. And I agree that he is 10 times more physical than Parker, the point I was trying to make is that WRs have multiple ways of beating defenders and don't always need "separation." Irvin has said that he almost prefers not to have separation because if he has you close the he can push off at the last minute and gain separation that way. Irvin was a master at pushing off and not getting flagged for it.

Piece of cake, right? If a guy has good baseline measureables and production, just simply polish him up and BOOM! You got yourself an All-Pro WR, just like that.

If it were that easy, nobody would even care about football skills and the best pure athletes would just go first in the draft, in order of their athleticism and intangibles. Stephen Hill and Jon Baldwin would be All-Pro's.

I can tell the difference between AJ Green because I actually watch what these guys do before the ball is in their hands. AJ Green sinks/drops his hips into his cuts. His feet are more precise and he changes directions better. He is a sudden mover with great start/stop ability for his size.

Davante Parker isn't smooth changing direction, his feet are all over the place when he makes cuts, and he is basically standing up through his whole break point.

When your feet are sloppy/imprecise, your movements are less efficient

When you can't get low into your break, you lose power to explode out of it. When a DB sees this, he stops back-pedaling and breaks on the route.

These are flaws that give a savvy CB an extra .1-.3 to diagnose what route you're running and make a play on the ball. You can get away with that in college when you're bigger and faster than everyone, not in the pro's.

**There are not many #1 WR's in the NFL that have issues separating. I can't really think of any. Just because there are guys who CAN make plays like that doesn't mean they are blanketed all the time and the QB just decides to throw them the ball anyways.


Parker has some very impressive qualities, I'm not dogging him altogether. His catching radius is very nice, he has very good speed for a player his size, he's competitive, and has good, reliable hands. I just don't think he has the skill-set to flourish as a #1 WR in the NFL. That doesn't mean he will be a bust, I'm just not gonna use the #15 pick on a player who I see as a solid #3 or #4.

Michael Irvin might not have been Jerry Rice, Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison as a route runner, but he was not sloppy in any regard. There is a difference between not being super fast and not separating because you run bad routes. Boldin and Crabtree are both slow, they will have defenders draped on them if they try to run vertical. But when healthy, they can separate easily undernearth because they run good routes.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Wait, he struggles to get separation yet he still managed to catch 138 balls in the 3 seasons he played at Louisville?
With 27 Tds and 2784 yards?

Sign me up, sounds like Anquan 2.0

Reading through these replies, it's clear a lot of fans have no clue what scouts mean by "separation".

I guess 90% of all WR prospects in every draft class have excellent route running and separation skills, because they caught a lot of balls and put up stats in college.

Actually, doesn't sound like Anquan Boldin AT ALL. Boldin is explosive in short areas, sells his routes... and gets open. The only times he has a defender draped over him is when he is in the Red Zone or if he is sent on a vertical route.

Let's not forget either than Parker had crappy QB play,
Many times during the season Parker had been thrown the ball too late, or too slow, giving the DB time to adjust and make a play on the ball.
Also his QB has a noodle arm and probably can't put it down the field anyways.

The reason you don't see Parker flashing that speed is because he simply doesn't need to. He isn't a guy like Sammy Coates or Heyward Bey who only relies on his speed and has unreliable hands.

Parker is a very versatilite guy who can succeed in almost every aspect of what is expected of a WR. He has that get away speed, I've seen it watching his games.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Wait, he struggles to get separation yet he still managed to catch 138 balls in the 3 seasons he played at Louisville?
With 27 Tds and 2784 yards?

Sign me up, sounds like Anquan 2.0

Reading through these replies, it's clear a lot of fans have no clue what scouts mean by "separation".

I guess 90% of all WR prospects in every draft class have excellent route running and separation skills, because they caught a lot of balls and put up stats in college.

Actually, doesn't sound like Anquan Boldin AT ALL. Boldin is explosive in short areas, sells his routes... and gets open. The only times he has a defender draped over him is when he is in the Red Zone or if he is sent on a vertical route.

Don't insult my football intelligence from your lack of comprehension reading my post.

Also, don't apply generic terms to prove your narrow-minded views of a first round WR. I've watched tape on Parker, I know what he is capable of and I know what he isn't capable of. When I say he reminds me of Anquan Boldin, it is because I have drawn these conclusions from watching his actual tape, and not his highlight tape (like you and the Parker naysayers have on this thread)

And yes, Boldin is explosive (saying explosive in short areas in repetitive). A lot of this so called "explosiveness" comes from the WCO we employ for him. He isn't a guy we typically send on a vertical route to beat opposing CBs. He is a guy we throw short quick passes to like slants or hooks or curls. Parker (because of a bad QB) had to adjust to running similar routes and still manage to keep the same production despite the lack of velocity with which he is receiving the ball. I've seen him play both roles very well, and if he was on our team I feel he would be a great replacement.


Lol at Anquan "getting open". He gets open because of the plays drawn up for him, not because of his agility or speed. I don't even think he could break a 5 second 40 right now.

Wow I can't think of one player in the range of the 49ers draft picks that I wouldn't want to see a 49er.....seriously not one. Only thing I can say is I hope they don't take a O-lineman in the 1st round.

The 49ers got rid of wide receiver coach, John Morton.

The 49ers now have added Adam Henry and Ronald Curry as wide receiver coaches.

This change might make a big difference.

What the wide receivers bring to the NFL is important, but so is the coaching they receiver once they get here.

The wide receivers in the draft are not finished products.





.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

You're just repeating yourself at this point. NYNiner had a good point that this guy torches the NFL caliber corners at Florida State which you ignored because it doesn't fit your narrow argument.

You also failed to address NYNiner's weakest argument suggesting that Parker's YPC show he can get open which isn't really true. Guys who run deep routes a lot and get targeted will have a high YPC whether or not they get open. Parker can track the ball and is dangerous as a jump ball receiver even when covered, so it makes sense that he has a lot of long receptions.

Parker doesn't get a ton of separation, but the only first round WR who does is Amari Cooper. All the other receivers need work on their route running when it comes to leaning and rounding their breaks. You must think that none of these receivers will cut it in the NFL and that they won't develop and learn to create separation.

I'm not a Parker fan, but you do have to give him credit for what he did against Florida St.

At the same time... I could list a number of damn good CB's that turned out to be good in the NFL that Dwayne Jarrett torched in college. So while it means something, it's not a direct correlation.

Saying nobody besides Amari Cooper really gets separation doesn't have a lick of truth to it. There is way too much film of DGB, White and Perriman either have a few steps deep on their man or having to STOP And turn and go up for an underthrown ball after they had their man clearly beat.

I do agree that all 3 guys I mentioned need work on their route running-- the difference between them and Parker is those other guys have very good to elite start/stop ability, balance, and can change direction better.

There is a better chance of White/DGB/Perriman developing into a crisp route runner because they have the physical tools to do so, it's just a matter of being taught and training their feet where to go.

With a player like Parker, you are asking him to do things that he physically doesn't look capable of- sinking his hips low, making sharp, decisive cuts, changing directions quickly without losing speed.

There is a difference between a guy that hasn't been TAUGHT how to do something, and a guy who may be physically incapable of doing something.

You had about 10 comments regarding Parker vs all the other wrs, I'll just comment back on this one

First not sure what your point is on Dwayne Jarrett? All we have to go off of for these draft picks is game film and combine/pro-days. Yes I'm going to take into account how a WR plays against some of the top CBs in this draft because to this point that is all we have to compare and guess what he smoked them for over 200 yards.

Why is there a better chance that White/DGB/Perriman will develop in great route-runners vs Parker? Parker doesn't have the tools? that's a absurd comment and doesn't hold any weight and is more of a opinion based on who you prefer. Too this point he does have much better route-running then DGB and Perriman and is a much more complete WR. That's not to say they won't be better, but there are a ton of "fast/athletic freaks" that never turn into complete WRs.

What he meant as far as separation "on a consistent basis" is that Cooper by far was open more than any other WR in this draft, he is fast and has great route-running ability all why playing in the SEC.

What film are you watching of Parker... I'm just curious? I've watch the FSU, NC State, Maimi (2013) games and he look fine to me as far as route-running goes. He gets off the LOS fine and has shown to be a great target on all 3 levels of the defense. I don't see any of the things your talking about as far a physical limitations.

I saw you talk about why Perriman's stats are lower and blaming the QB for this horrible throws. I will agree the QB didn't help him at all, but the same could be said for Parker and we can always talk about the level of competition as well.

I like this WR class and Parker isn't my favorite at all. I do think he is the 3rd rated WR and there is a reason he is viewed but many as a top 15 pick. IMO and that's all it is, he will contribute more (as long as he's healthy) than DGB and Perriman.

My top WR list:

1:Cooper
2:White
3:Parker
4:Strong
5:Smith
6:DGB
7:Perriman

I would love to have any of these WRs.