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Originally posted by doc_brown_:
IMO

Positives:

Deceptively fast and gets off the line quickly.
Great ball skills.
Has the skill-set and frame to be a #1.
Red-zone threat.
YAC

Negatives:

Not physical
Even though he's a Senior, he's raw and has lapses in concentration.
Would need time to further develop and needs to be a hard worker to succeed.

This is what I see in Parker and it is not just the Belk Bowl Game but if you look at all the games he has played in in 2014 there is the same freaking pattern,You never hardly ever see Him wide open or separated from the defenders, and that will not cut it in the NFL,I pray and Hope he gets drafted before the 9ers pick,He`s a bad Blocker also and He`s always getting caught from behind because of lack off break away speed,don`t care what the time was in the COMBINE,look at the field speed of his games,does it look 4.45? ........@ You NYNINER85

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I agree. Also, if you watch that video you see just how bad Parker's QB was.
you are nit picking,dude is just not that impressive
Originally posted by 9erz4Life:
My Do Not Draft Board - AJ Jenkins, Kentwan Balmer, Mike Rumph, JJ Stokes, Kwame Harris, Isreal Ifyeani, Taylor Mays, Glen Coffee, Chilo Rachal, Raushan Woods, Marcus Maxwell, Daven Holly, Derrick Hamilton, Giovanni Carmazzi, Reggie McGrew, Jim Drunkenmiller, Todd Kelly, (The supposed second coming of Charles Haley) Dana Hall, Dexter Carter, Jeff Bregel, James Owens, Elmo Boyd, Andrew Williams, Brandon Williams, Joe Cohen, Curtis Taylor, Nate Davis, Scott McKillop, Darius Fleming, Jason Slowey

LOL ,and Most of those were NOT Baalke picks they were ; Scott Mc picks and Donahue and that Giovanni pick was Walsh`s there are few that were ok :Dexter Carter,JJ Stokes.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
IMO

Positives:

Deceptively fast and gets off the line quickly.
Great ball skills.
Has the skill-set and frame to be a #1.
Red-zone threat.
YAC

Negatives:

Not physical
Even though he's a Senior, he's raw and has lapses in concentration.
Would need time to further develop and needs to be a hard worker to succeed.

This is what I see in Parker and it is not just the Belk Bowl Game but if you look at all the games he has played in in 2014 there is the same freaking pattern,You never hardly ever see Him wide open or separated from the defenders, and that will not cut it in the NFL,I pray and Hope he gets drafted before the 9ers pick,He`s a bad Blocker also and He`s always getting caught from behind because of lack off break away speed,don`t care what the time was in the COMBINE,look at the field speed of his games,does it look 4.45? ........@ You NYNINER85

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I agree. Also, if you watch that video you see just how bad Parker's QB was.
you are nit picking,dude is just not that impressive
I am nit picking? Hey Kettle, have you met the pot? Did also notice the pattern that the dude is always double covered? Did you notice that when he is double covered he still sometimes comes down with the ball? He isn't that impressive? Then why is he a consensus 1st round pick? He must be impressing a lot of people except for maybe the nitpickers. I think he will be at worse a Plaxico Buress type of player in the NFL.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by doc_brown_:
IMO

Positives:

Deceptively fast and gets off the line quickly.
Great ball skills.
Has the skill-set and frame to be a #1.
Red-zone threat.
YAC

Negatives:

Not physical
Even though he's a Senior, he's raw and has lapses in concentration.
Would need time to further develop and needs to be a hard worker to succeed.

This is what I see in Parker and it is not just the Belk Bowl Game but if you look at all the games he has played in in 2014 there is the same freaking pattern,You never hardly ever see Him wide open or separated from the defenders, and that will not cut it in the NFL,I pray and Hope he gets drafted before the 9ers pick,He`s a bad Blocker also and He`s always getting caught from behind because of lack off break away speed,don`t care what the time was in the COMBINE,look at the field speed of his games,does it look 4.45? ........@ You NYNINER85

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
I agree. Also, if you watch that video you see just how bad Parker's QB was.
you are nit picking,dude is just not that impressive

LOL okay dude I get it your not a fan of him which is fine. I look at the whole player not just "game speed" which is what you keep going back too.

  • He is quick out of his breaks
  • He displays above avg route running
  • Is plenty fast for his size and length
  • Makes catches away from his body, is great at catching the ball at it's high point
  • Is very hard to cover man to man

Just watch the FSU game and tell me he runs one route....he had 8 catches for 214 yards against Williams and Darby who are projected as high picks in this draft. Yes his blocking is something to be desired, but that's down the list on what's important to me as far as a WR goes. Cooper is more polish and pro-ready than Parker and White's potential is out of this world, so I have them both higher than Parker, but in no way are Strong, DGB, Smith etc better than Parker at this point in their careers.

You'll get your wish because he most likely get's picked before SF because he is a very good wide receiver in this draft and t o say it's nit picking that his QB was horrible is laughable dude.....even with that horrible QB and being the ONLY offensive threat he still avg 142 yards a game, 7 catches, and .83 TDS for 855 yards in 6 games!

Also please explain to me how a players who can't get separation can avg 20 yards a catch??
Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL okay dude I get it your not a fan of him which is fine. I look at the whole player not just "game speed" which is what you keep going back too.

  • He is quick out of his breaks
  • He displays above avg route running
  • Is plenty fast for his size and length
  • Makes catches away from his body, is great at catching the ball at it's high point
  • Is very hard to cover man to man

Just watch the FSU game and tell me he runs one route....he had 8 catches for 214 yards against Williams and Darby who are projected as high picks in this draft. Yes his blocking is something to be desired, but that's down the list on what's important to me as far as a WR goes. Cooper is more polish and pro-ready than Parker and White's potential is out of this world, so I have them both higher than Parker, but in no way are Strong, DGB, Smith etc better than Parker at this point in their careers.

You'll get your wish because he most likely get's picked before SF because he is a very good wide receiver in this draft and t o say it's nit picking that his QB was horrible is laughable dude.....even with that horrible QB and being the ONLY offensive threat he still avg 142 yards a game, 7 catches, and .83 TDS for 855 yards in 6 games!

Also please explain to me how a players who can't get separation can avg 20 yards a catch??
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.
[ Edited by jrouter4949 on Mar 29, 2015 at 6:26 AM ]
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL okay dude I get it your not a fan of him which is fine. I look at the whole player not just "game speed" which is what you keep going back too.

  • He is quick out of his breaks
  • He displays above avg route running
  • Is plenty fast for his size and length
  • Makes catches away from his body, is great at catching the ball at it's high point
  • Is very hard to cover man to man

Just watch the FSU game and tell me he runs one route....he had 8 catches for 214 yards against Williams and Darby who are projected as high picks in this draft. Yes his blocking is something to be desired, but that's down the list on what's important to me as far as a WR goes. Cooper is more polish and pro-ready than Parker and White's potential is out of this world, so I have them both higher than Parker, but in no way are Strong, DGB, Smith etc better than Parker at this point in their careers.

You'll get your wish because he most likely get's picked before SF because he is a very good wide receiver in this draft and t o say it's nit picking that his QB was horrible is laughable dude.....even with that horrible QB and being the ONLY offensive threat he still avg 142 yards a game, 7 catches, and .83 TDS for 855 yards in 6 games!

Also please explain to me how a players who can't get separation can avg 20 yards a catch??
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

Maybe defenders are on him like velcro because he's really good? Maybe he is the defenses #1 priority? And Parker still gets his, you know, like scoring touchdowns.

So far as his speed, how can you average 20ypc and be slow?

How can ya not get any separation and not get off the LOS and still score so many TDs?

Just some simple questions for ya, rude boy.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL okay dude I get it your not a fan of him which is fine. I look at the whole player not just "game speed" which is what you keep going back too.

  • He is quick out of his breaks
  • He displays above avg route running
  • Is plenty fast for his size and length
  • Makes catches away from his body, is great at catching the ball at it's high point
  • Is very hard to cover man to man

Just watch the FSU game and tell me he runs one route....he had 8 catches for 214 yards against Williams and Darby who are projected as high picks in this draft. Yes his blocking is something to be desired, but that's down the list on what's important to me as far as a WR goes. Cooper is more polish and pro-ready than Parker and White's potential is out of this world, so I have them both higher than Parker, but in no way are Strong, DGB, Smith etc better than Parker at this point in their careers.

You'll get your wish because he most likely get's picked before SF because he is a very good wide receiver in this draft and t o say it's nit picking that his QB was horrible is laughable dude.....even with that horrible QB and being the ONLY offensive threat he still avg 142 yards a game, 7 catches, and .83 TDS for 855 yards in 6 games!

Also please explain to me how a players who can't get separation can avg 20 yards a catch??
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

So if it's all about speed then we should draft Devin Smith? Or maybe we can try to get Darrius Heyward Bey on the cheap lol. Yeah because someone you like over Parker in Strong seems to be great at getting separation and never ever gets caught from behind

Not sure what being upset with Baalke or saying he sucks has to do with evaluating Parker vs other wide receivers in this draft? I think Baalke is one of the better GM's in the league when it comes to evaluating talent. He looks fine to me in press-coverage and I haven't seen a issue at all with getting off the LOS...that's another advantage of having long arms and guess what players can get stronger too.

Like I've said to you many many times players can use more than speed to get separation like route running, size, body control, and length. Players that are comparable to Parker in this regard are Jeffery, AJ, Colston, Burress, Marshall etc....Parker would be a fine complement to Smith and Boldin this year. He would take over for Boldin the following year and would really excel on 3rd downs, red-zones and one-on-ones.

And as far as a fan boy for Parker I am not...I just feel he will be BPA at 15 if he is there. I would rather have Cooper or White over him at WR.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

You're just repeating yourself at this point. NYNiner had a good point that this guy torches the NFL caliber corners at Florida State which you ignored because it doesn't fit your narrow argument.

You also failed to address NYNiner's weakest argument suggesting that Parker's YPC show he can get open which isn't really true. Guys who run deep routes a lot and get targeted will have a high YPC whether or not they get open. Parker can track the ball and is dangerous as a jump ball receiver even when covered, so it makes sense that he has a lot of long receptions.

Parker doesn't get a ton of separation, but the only first round WR who does is Amari Cooper. All the other receivers need work on their route running when it comes to leaning and rounding their breaks. You must think that none of these receivers will cut it in the NFL and that they won't develop and learn to create separation.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

You're just repeating yourself at this point. NYNiner had a good point that this guy torches the NFL caliber corners at Florida State which you ignored because it doesn't fit your narrow argument.

You also failed to address NYNiner's weakest argument suggesting that Parker's YPC show he can get open which isn't really true. Guys who run deep routes a lot and get targeted will have a high YPC whether or not they get open. Parker can track the ball and is dangerous as a jump ball receiver even when covered, so it makes sense that he has a lot of long receptions.

Parker doesn't get a ton of separation, but the only first round WR who does is Amari Cooper. All the other receivers need work on their route running when it comes to leaning and rounding their breaks. You must think that none of these receivers will cut it in the NFL and that they won't develop and learn to create separation.

Thank you like I said I'm not a Parker fan boy or whatever lol, but if he's there at 15 Baalke should think long and hard about grabbing him....jrouter4949 just keeps repeating his self about not creating separation but there is more than speed to help a WR get separation. I think he will have a good career in the NFL as long as he stays healthy and none of these WRs are even close to finished products.
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
What exactly are you basing Collins lack of strength on ?

Game film, and the fact he did only 21 reps at combine. That's weak.

Anthony Davis did 21 reps at te combine. Unless a player is lying on his back and trying to get someone off of him, it is not a good indicator of football strength.
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LSU coaching staff credited him with 222.5 knockdown blocks in his 45-game career
[ Edited by fortyninerglory on Mar 29, 2015 at 10:33 AM ]
Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Good analysis, Marcus Peters was kicked off his college team and is living with another role model, Marshawn Lynch in Washington. Which way is the needle pointing?

Ya, what an idiot. What could he possibly learn from a former thug that was able to realize what's important in life and turn his career around to carve out HOF career and become a world champion?

Marcus Peters was kicked off his team for arguing with a coach during practice, and his HC still gave scouts good reviews. He's competitive and probably wanted to win and got stuck on a crappy program.
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
your definition of FAST and MY definition are totally different,like night and day different,Parker seems to ALWAYS have a Guy on Him like Velcro,He will be an EASY cover in the NFL,but you guys are right to be Big Fans of Him,when he is drafted by someone else are you gonna be upset with Baalke? are you gonna say How Baalke Sucks when it comes to drafting WRs? just some real simple questions to ask you Parker Fan-Boys. Ooh one more thing,Parker will have to hit the weight room ,from what I seen on film is that he has trouble with press-coverage, you know getting off the LOS,I thought I run that by you if that is ok with you.

You're just repeating yourself at this point. NYNiner had a good point that this guy torches the NFL caliber corners at Florida State which you ignored because it doesn't fit your narrow argument.

You also failed to address NYNiner's weakest argument suggesting that Parker's YPC show he can get open which isn't really true. Guys who run deep routes a lot and get targeted will have a high YPC whether or not they get open. Parker can track the ball and is dangerous as a jump ball receiver even when covered, so it makes sense that he has a lot of long receptions.

Parker doesn't get a ton of separation, but the only first round WR who does is Amari Cooper. All the other receivers need work on their route running when it comes to leaning and rounding their breaks. You must think that none of these receivers will cut it in the NFL and that they won't develop and learn to create separation.

I'm not a Parker fan, but you do have to give him credit for what he did against Florida St.

At the same time... I could list a number of damn good CB's that turned out to be good in the NFL that Dwayne Jarrett torched in college. So while it means something, it's not a direct correlation.

Saying nobody besides Amari Cooper really gets separation doesn't have a lick of truth to it. There is way too much film of DGB, White and Perriman either have a few steps deep on their man or having to STOP And turn and go up for an underthrown ball after they had their man clearly beat.

I do agree that all 3 guys I mentioned need work on their route running-- the difference between them and Parker is those other guys have very good to elite start/stop ability, balance, and can change direction better.

There is a better chance of White/DGB/Perriman developing into a crisp route runner because they have the physical tools to do so, it's just a matter of being taught and training their feet where to go.

With a player like Parker, you are asking him to do things that he physically doesn't look capable of- sinking his hips low, making sharp, decisive cuts, changing directions quickly without losing speed.

There is a difference between a guy that hasn't been TAUGHT how to do something, and a guy who may be physically incapable of doing something.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Thank you like I said I'm not a Parker fan boy or whatever lol, but if he's there at 15 Baalke should think long and hard about grabbing him....jrouter4949 just keeps repeating his self about not creating separation but there is more than speed to help a WR get separation. I think he will have a good career in the NFL as long as he stays healthy and none of these WRs are even close to finished products.

Yes, there are other ways to create separation-- making your routes look the same up until you break, having the suddenness to change directions faster than the CB can react, changing route tempo, being savvy with head nods/body language...

I just don't see these traits on film from Parker. Maybe throwing off DB's with head nods, but that won't work in the NFL.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL okay dude I get it your not a fan of him which is fine. I look at the whole player not just "game speed" which is what you keep going back too.

  • He is quick out of his breaks
  • He displays above avg route running
  • Is plenty fast for his size and length
  • Makes catches away from his body, is great at catching the ball at it's high point
  • Is very hard to cover man to man

Just watch the FSU game and tell me he runs one route....he had 8 catches for 214 yards against Williams and Darby who are projected as high picks in this draft. Yes his blocking is something to be desired, but that's down the list on what's important to me as far as a WR goes. Cooper is more polish and pro-ready than Parker and White's potential is out of this world, so I have them both higher than Parker, but in no way are Strong, DGB, Smith etc better than Parker at this point in their careers.

You'll get your wish because he most likely get's picked before SF because he is a very good wide receiver in this draft and t o say it's nit picking that his QB was horrible is laughable dude.....even with that horrible QB and being the ONLY offensive threat he still avg 142 yards a game, 7 catches, and .83 TDS for 855 yards in 6 games!

Also please explain to me how a players who can't get separation can avg 20 yards a catch??

It's hard to get a grip on what you consider good route running. Look at how NFL players run route and how Parker does. He's either real lazy in his route running or just doesn't have the balance and suddenness to sink his hips and get out.

You can average 20 yards a catch with sub par separation when:

* You are good at hauling in jump balls with a defender draped all over you
* Your RAC ability and size helps you take plays where most WR's get tackled on into long gains


Stats and football skills don't directly correlate. You can't say he gets great separation because of a stat and ignore that the game tape rarely shows him with a couple steps on a defender and constantly being forced to make contested grabs.
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Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
What exactly are you basing Collins lack of strength on ?

Game film, and the fact he did only 21 reps at combine. That's weak.

Anthony Davis did 21 reps at te combine. Unless a player is lying on his back and trying to get someone off of him, it is not a good indicator of football strength.
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LSU coaching staff credited him with 222.5 knockdown blocks in his 45-game career

Thanks, nice stat. Will have to agree to disagree with the OP despite that number, dunno what he is seeing on film.
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