Wide Receivers we should target and when, your wide receiver draft board

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Parker ran a 4.45 40 not a 4.5 40. By comparison on strictly 40 times :

ODBJ : 4.43
Randall Cobb : 4.46
Justin Hunter : 4.44

But you DON`T see the 4.45 speed on the field,there is where the problem lies,ODBJ,R COBB, JHunt, with these guys you ACTUALLY see the speed on the field,matter of fact ODBJ looks even faster then His timed speed and look at what Devin Smith ran at the combine 4.43 and I know he runs faster then that on the football field...timed 40`s don`t always reflect true football field speed. And every game I watched Parker play,he just don`t have that "it" speed ,He looks to strugle running after the catch, He looks Average.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Parker ran a 4.45 40 not a 4.5 40. By comparison on strictly 40 times :

ODBJ : 4.43
Randall Cobb : 4.46
Justin Hunter : 4.44

But you DON`T see the 4.45 speed on the field,there is where the problem lies,ODBJ,R COBB, JHunt, with these guys you ACTUALLY see the speed on the field,matter of fact ODBJ looks even faster then His timed speed and look at what Devin Smith ran at the combine 4.43 and I know he runs faster then that on the football field...timed 40`s don`t always reflect true football field speed. And every game I watched Parker play,he just don`t have that "it" speed ,He looks to strugle running after the catch, He looks Average.

I don't see any problems with Parker after the catch. Watching him, I see a player with nice build-up speed with good speed overall. He may not be a low to mid 4.4 guy on the field, but I see at least a 4.48 player with Parker who has better speed than he's given credit for.

Now Jaelen Strong on the other hand, he is quite obviously not a 4.44 guy on the field. While not extremely slow, I'd say he's more of a 4.50 - 4.54 on the field.

I think if Patton gets an opportunity for significant time this season, I think a lot of people will be surprised by what he can do. The guy was essentially a rookie last year due to missing so much time in his actual rookie year with that foot injury. Patton's field speed and "get-off" of the line is probably the quickest on the entire team.

overall, given the signing of Simpson, I would not rush a WR-pick that much.

Originally posted by communist:
overall, given the signing of Simpson, I would not rush a WR-pick that much.

Doesn't ring a bell.

I got a mock in the pipe where a WR is picked very late.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Parker ran a 4.45 40 not a 4.5 40. By comparison on strictly 40 times :

ODBJ : 4.43
Randall Cobb : 4.46
Justin Hunter : 4.44

But you DON`T see the 4.45 speed on the field,there is where the problem lies,ODBJ,R COBB, JHunt, with these guys you ACTUALLY see the speed on the field,matter of fact ODBJ looks even faster then His timed speed and look at what Devin Smith ran at the combine 4.43 and I know he runs faster then that on the football field...timed 40`s don`t always reflect true football field speed. And every game I watched Parker play,he just don`t have that "it" speed ,He looks to strugle running after the catch, He looks Average.

I don't see any problems with Parker after the catch. Watching him, I see a player with nice build-up speed with good speed overall. He may not be a low to mid 4.4 guy on the field, but I see at least a 4.48 player with Parker who has better speed than he's given credit for.

Now Jaelen Strong on the other hand, he is quite obviously not a 4.44 guy on the field. While not extremely slow, I'd say he's more of a 4.50 - 4.54 on the field.

I think if Patton gets an opportunity for significant time this season, I think a lot of people will be surprised by what he can do. The guy was essentially a rookie last year due to missing so much time in his actual rookie year with that foot injury. Patton's field speed and "get-off" of the line is probably the quickest on the entire team.

Let me put it this way,if Baalke is looking for some outside take the top off the defense,Parker is not that guy.I think some people have a different definiton of Speed and deep speed and some think that Parker`s speed is what the 9ers need,but I think Baalke is looking for someone who has 4.40- 4.3
+ speed.Now ellington does have 4.44 speed, and you are right about Patton and Patton can ball when he gets a chance,Now that Lord Jim and his ancient offense is gone,I look forward to see the corvette taken out of the garage and put on a long stretched highway run like a deer.

My top 3 guys are Parker or Strong then Devin White. The two big WR's fill the need for size and RZ targets while DS is the deep threat we need. I don't see Baalke drafting DGB, although it's possible. If he does, Jed needs to shut up and trust his GM.

I'm also hoping Baalke takes TE Walford...although I see Vernon having a big year, there's no guarantees he'll be back in 2016 and the receiving talent behind him is far from stellar.

You don't need 4.3 speed to take the top off the defense. A big target who can track the football can do just as well as a smaller 4.3 guys and force safeties to commit to helping on deep routes (Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson, AJ Green, Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Calvin Johnson at this stage in his career - more of a 4.5 guy now I would guess). Parker was that guy in college. It's to be determined whether he can do that in the pros, but his 4.45 speed won't prevent him from being a deep threat.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
You don't need 4.3 speed to take the top off the defense. A big target who can track the football can do just as well as a smaller 4.3 guys and force safeties to commit to helping on deep routes (Alshon Jeffery, Vincent Jackson, AJ Green, Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjamin, Calvin Johnson at this stage in his career - more of a 4.5 guy now I would guess). Parker was that guy in college. It's to be determined whether he can do that in the pros, but his 4.45 speed won't prevent him from being a deep threat.

If you say so,But Parker does NOT play like He has 4.45 speed,that is the PROBLEM that you fail to see,but when he gets drafted and if by chance Jed loooses His Mind and draft him ,I don`t want to hear your whinning about how He does not get separation OK don`t want to hear it.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Parker ran a 4.45 40 not a 4.5 40. By comparison on strictly 40 times :

ODBJ : 4.43
Randall Cobb : 4.46
Justin Hunter : 4.44

But you DON`T see the 4.45 speed on the field,there is where the problem lies,ODBJ,R COBB, JHunt, with these guys you ACTUALLY see the speed on the field,matter of fact ODBJ looks even faster then His timed speed and look at what Devin Smith ran at the combine 4.43 and I know he runs faster then that on the football field...timed 40`s don`t always reflect true football field speed. And every game I watched Parker play,he just don`t have that "it" speed ,He looks to strugle running after the catch, He looks Average.

I don't see any problems with Parker after the catch. Watching him, I see a player with nice build-up speed with good speed overall. He may not be a low to mid 4.4 guy on the field, but I see at least a 4.48 player with Parker who has better speed than he's given credit for.

Now Jaelen Strong on the other hand, he is quite obviously not a 4.44 guy on the field. While not extremely slow, I'd say he's more of a 4.50 - 4.54 on the field.

I think if Patton gets an opportunity for significant time this season, I think a lot of people will be surprised by what he can do. The guy was essentially a rookie last year due to missing so much time in his actual rookie year with that foot injury. Patton's field speed and "get-off" of the line is probably the quickest on the entire team.

Let me put it this way,if Baalke is looking for some outside take the top off the defense,Parker is not that guy.I think some people have a different definiton of Speed and deep speed and some think that Parker`s speed is what the 9ers need,but I think Baalke is looking for someone who has 4.40- 4.3
+ speed.Now ellington does have 4.44 speed, and you are right about Patton and Patton can ball when he gets a chance,Now that Lord Jim and his ancient offense is gone,I look forward to see the corvette taken out of the garage and put on a long stretched highway run like a deer.

It remains to be seen what'll happen, but I do believe the team will ultimately trust its board. Speed receivers I think will certainly be a priority, but like many of us agree, it's not like Patton and Ellington can't be potential deep threats. Patton might be even faster than the 4.48 he timed at the combine and is a good jump ball receiver with very long arms at 33" to snatch the ball (Note: that's longer arms than OBJ, who was talked up for those physical measurables).

I mentioned in another thread that Patton was also a major deep threat as a senior for Louisiana Tech. He ranked 9th in the NCAA in plays of 30+ yards or more. Others that fell in or right around the Top 10 with him? Several other notable speed receivers: Donte Moncrief, Marquise Lee, Tavon Austin, Tevin Reese, and Terrance Williams.

In trying to analyze why we didn't utilize the speed we had more often, I'm convinced that this past year it was because our OL was so awful. There was little to no chance for these routes to develop for any of these guys to get deep, and that could explain why we called so many underneath routes instead. OL improvement is PARAMOUNT to the entire success of the offense. Additionally, Patton and Ellington both need more opportunities, as they clearly have a lot of talent just waiting to be capitalized on.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It remains to be seen what'll happen, but I do believe the team will ultimately trust its board. Speed receivers I think will certainly be a priority, but like many of us agree, it's not like Patton and Ellington can't be potential deep threats. Patton might be even faster than the 4.48 he timed at the combine and is a good jump ball receiver with very long arms at 33" to snatch the ball (Note: that's longer arms than OBJ, who was talked up for those physical measurables).

I mentioned in another thread that Patton was also a major deep threat as a senior for Louisiana Tech. He ranked 9th in the NCAA in plays of 30+ yards or more. Others that fell in or right around the Top 10 with him? Several other notable speed receivers: Donte Moncrief, Marquise Lee, Tavon Austin, Tevin Reese, and Terrance Williams.

In trying to analyze why we didn't utilize the speed we had more often, I'm convinced that this past year it was because our OL was so awful. There was little to no chance for these routes to develop for any of these guys to get deep, and that could explain why we called so many underneath routes instead. OL improvement is PARAMOUNT to the entire success of the offense. Additionally, Patton and Ellington both need more opportunities, as they clearly have a lot of talent just waiting to be capitalized on.

A lot of non-use had to do with Morton our ex-wr coach.and Harbaugh had something to do with it also,but now there is a fresh start,let`s see where that takes Patton and Ellington

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

It remains to be seen what'll happen, but I do believe the team will ultimately trust its board. Speed receivers I think will certainly be a priority, but like many of us agree, it's not like Patton and Ellington can't be potential deep threats. Patton might be even faster than the 4.48 he timed at the combine and is a good jump ball receiver with very long arms at 33" to snatch the ball (Note: that's longer arms than OBJ, who was talked up for those physical measurables).

I mentioned in another thread that Patton was also a major deep threat as a senior for Louisiana Tech. He ranked 9th in the NCAA in plays of 30+ yards or more. Others that fell in or right around the Top 10 with him? Several other notable speed receivers: Donte Moncrief, Marquise Lee, Tavon Austin, Tevin Reese, and Terrance Williams.

In trying to analyze why we didn't utilize the speed we had more often, I'm convinced that this past year it was because our OL was so awful. There was little to no chance for these routes to develop for any of these guys to get deep, and that could explain why we called so many underneath routes instead. OL improvement is PARAMOUNT to the entire success of the offense. Additionally, Patton and Ellington both need more opportunities, as they clearly have a lot of talent just waiting to be capitalized on.

A lot of non-use had to do with Morton our ex-wr coach.and Harbaugh had something to do with it also,but now there is a fresh start,let`s see where that takes Patton and Ellington

If these guys all of a sudden shine, that's all we'll need to know to see how Morton, Roman, and sadly Harbaugh were all holding us back in the passing game.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Depends on what board you're looking at. 49ers board, or BPA at WR. Below, you'll find my current listings (very much subject to change).

49ers board is calculated by my estimated overall player value + value to our team based on what elements/attributes we currently lack.
Overall board is based solely on the current player scores I've given, which follow a general formula to calculate their grades.

49ers WR Board
1. Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. Kevin White, WVU
3. Devante Parker, Louisville
4. Breshad Perriman, UCF
5. Phillip Dorsett, Miami
6. Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
7. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
8. Nelson Agholor, USC
9. Devin Smith, Ohio State
10. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
11. Dres Anderson, Utah
12. Sammie Coates, Auburn
13. Rannell Hall, UCF
14. Tre McBride, William & Mary
15. Chris Conley, Georgia
16. Rashad Greene, FSU
17. Devin Funchess, Michigan
18. Justin Hardy, ECU
19. Tony Lippett, Michigan State
20. Ty Montgomery, Stanford

Overall WR Board
1. Amari Cooper, Alabama
2. Kevin White, WVU
3. Devante Parker, Louisville
4. Jaelen Strong, Arizona State
5. Breshad Perriman, UCF
6. Phillip Dorsett, Miami
7. Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
8. Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma
9. Nelson Agholor, USC
10. Justin Hardy, ECU
11. Devin Smith, Ohio State
12. Sammie Coates, Auburn
13. Dres Anderson, Utah
14. Rannell Hall, UCF
15. Rashad Greene, FSU
16. Devin Funchess, Michigan
17. Chris Conley, Georgia
18. Tre McBride, William & Mary
19. Tony Lippett, Michigan State
20. Ty Montgomery, Stanford

I always love your draft insight and don't have near the knowin you do, but have noticed most others having White ahead of Cooper. Can you tell me why you have Cooper higher?

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

It remains to be seen what'll happen, but I do believe the team will ultimately trust its board. Speed receivers I think will certainly be a priority, but like many of us agree, it's not like Patton and Ellington can't be potential deep threats. Patton might be even faster than the 4.48 he timed at the combine and is a good jump ball receiver with very long arms at 33" to snatch the ball (Note: that's longer arms than OBJ, who was talked up for those physical measurables).

I mentioned in another thread that Patton was also a major deep threat as a senior for Louisiana Tech. He ranked 9th in the NCAA in plays of 30+ yards or more. Others that fell in or right around the Top 10 with him? Several other notable speed receivers: Donte Moncrief, Marquise Lee, Tavon Austin, Tevin Reese, and Terrance Williams.

In trying to analyze why we didn't utilize the speed we had more often, I'm convinced that this past year it was because our OL was so awful. There was little to no chance for these routes to develop for any of these guys to get deep, and that could explain why we called so many underneath routes instead. OL improvement is PARAMOUNT to the entire success of the offense. Additionally, Patton and Ellington both need more opportunities, as they clearly have a lot of talent just waiting to be capitalized on.

Patton ran a 4.53 at the combine (4.48 at his pro day). He put up mediocre numbers in the vertical and broad jump (33" and 118") and good but not spectacular numbers in the 3 cone and shuttle (4.01 and 6.91). If anything, his pro day numbers and jump numbers confirm that he's not faster than a 4.5 (pro day times are typically 0.05-0.15 seconds faster so the 4.48 at his pro day is less impressive than a 4.53 at the combine). His arms were 32 7/8" which is pretty much what you said but only 1/8" longer than OBJ's and his hands are much smaller (9 3/8" to 10"). Odell Beckham Jr was praised for his length because he had elite quickness for a 5'11 receiver with the long arms and huge hands (10") of a much bigger receiver. Patton doesn't have that elite quickness. I don't think he's shown anything at this level to suggest he was the steal you are making him out to be as a 4th round pick.

I was higher on Ellington coming out and thought his overall athleticism could translate into him being a solid slot receiver and returner, but he hasn't really panned out yet either. Hopefully you guys are right and it was a matter of our WR coach not developing these guys and Roman not using them correctly, but I'd still like to see us use an early pick on a WR. I don't think we need to draft 2-3 receivers for depth until we see what these guys can do (maybe 2 if we cut Stevie and don't replace him in free agency).

Another point on Patton: He played in an offense that put up 578 yards per game and 51.5 pts/game his senior year against very weak competition (SoS was 102 out of 124 according to pro-reference.com). You have to take his stats and his inclusion in the list of players with 30+ yard gains with a grain of salt.