Arik Armstead DE Oregon | Page 9 | 49ers Webzone Forum

NYniner85 · 2015-02-19T12:38:38-08:00

I haven't seen a thread for this guy? 6-8 290 LBs STRENGTHS Improved by leaps and bounds from 2013 to 2014. Elite size with ability to add more bulk to his frame. Quick-twitch athlete. Explodes up field into blockers with good pad level and hip snap, gaining instant leverage against the run and often jarring them into the backfield. Gets good arm extension to control offensive linemen and peppers them with powerful hands. Can unlock quickly from blocks. Has above-average tackle radius thanks to his length and quickness. WEAKNESSES Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish. SOURCES TELL US "I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scoutNFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell BOTTOM LINE Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point. (NFL.com) He is gonna kill the combine and is a athlete! He played basketball and wasn't fully dedicated to football until 2014. I think he can be molded into a pro-bowler with the staff we currently have. Thoughts on this kid??

Apr 24, 2015 at 1:32 PM

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daragon
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There is no way the 49ers make this guy our first round pick.

Apr 24, 2015 at 1:50 PM

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Willisfn4life
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Please no.

[ Edited by Willisfn4life on Apr 24, 2015 at 1:52 PM ]

Apr 24, 2015 at 1:53 PM

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Willisfn4life
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Prepare yourselves.

Apr 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM

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LumpiaJeff
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That Lance Zierlein has us taking Armstead and then Coates in the 2nd.

I'd be upset if that's how it fell.

Apr 24, 2015 at 1:59 PM

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philosoraptor
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This guy is a 2nd round pick. IF we take him any higher Ill probably donkey punch my tv. With his athleticism he should have dominated in college.

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM

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bdub2588
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read below

[ Edited by bdub2588 on Apr 24, 2015 at 2:08 PM ]

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:05 PM

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Originally posted by daragon:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by genus49:
I don't think a top 15 pick should be such a project. I wouldn't touch Armstead unless we trade down into mid-late 20s.

I'm not the biggest fan of Armstead either. His teammate was a much better player than him, in my opinion. I think Armstead might be who we're leaning towards, but I'd much prefer Carl Davis over him.

Why do you think the 49ers are leaning towards Armstead? Please explain that to me.

They tend to go after "all potential" guys using a "future value" grading system. We end up with a lot of projects because we grade some players higher than the obviously more pro-ready or more polished products, because we think they could wind up better in the long run than some other given prospect at the same position.

It's not exactly to an extreme, but they seem to weigh that factor pretty heavily and if the risk is not too much for them, Baalke gambles. I don't like that strategy at all, but it is what it is.

[ Edited by OnTheClock on Apr 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM ]

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM

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bdub2588
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Prepare yourselves.

It's my understanding that you have"inside sources" . What are you hearing? My opinion after watching tape is this guy is a major knee injury waiting to happen due to lack of leverage. And the 5.1 40 is is no sign of athleticism...

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:27 PM

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Kuya
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Everyone has us taking this guy

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:37 PM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by AsianJeff:
That Lance Zierlein has us taking Armstead and then Coates in the 2nd.

I'd be upset if that's how it fell.

Sweet baby Jesus I hope not

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:38 PM

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LumpiaJeff
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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
That Lance Zierlein has us taking Armstead and then Coates in the 2nd.

I'd be upset if that's how it fell.

Sweet baby Jesus I hope not

the whole draft Zierlein has mocked for us is absolutely terrible

Apr 24, 2015 at 2:48 PM

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Originally posted by bdub2588:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Prepare yourselves.

It's my understanding that you have"inside sources" . What are you hearing? My opinion after watching tape is this guy is a major knee injury waiting to happen due to lack of leverage. And the 5.1 40 is is no sign of athleticism...

He doesn't have inside sources. He just puts in a ton of (richly appreciated) work studying and analyzing prospects, and he and OTC have been doing it long enough to apply their study against 49er drafting trends. I hope they're wrong on this one. It's happened before, and I hope it happens again here.

Apr 24, 2015 at 3:02 PM

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Picking him would fall in perfect in the offseason from hell. So yeah let's prepare our anuses

Apr 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM

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We need immediate starters right away. This guy would barely sniff the field with Dockett, Dorsey, Carradine, TJE, Williams, Dial, and possibly Justin Smith. All initially ahead of him on the depth chart. Oh and not to mention another large athletically gifted prospect who is a about an inch shorter, 10 lbs heavier, and a better 40 time in Okoye.

"Logically" this pick is that this position has been addressed heavily in recent drafts/FA periods that picking DL over and over again would be "Millen-ish".

Our 1st round pick needs to be an initial contributor or insurance or stud on the OL.

[ Edited by nj9er on Apr 24, 2015 at 3:45 PM ]

Apr 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM

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Originally posted by nj9er:
We need immediate starters right away. This guy would barely sniff the field with Dockett, Dorsey, Carradine, TJE, Williams, Dial, and possibly Justin Smith. All initially ahead of him on the depth chart. Oh and not to mention another large athletically gifted prospect who is a about an inch shorter, 10 lbs heavier, and a better 40 time in Okoye.

"Logically" this pick is that this position has been addressed heavily in recent drafts/FA periods that picking DL over and over again would be "Millen-ish".

Our 1st round pick needs to be an initial contributor or insurance or stud on the OL.

I agree this is why even though it is not exciting I hope we either trade back or if we stay put draft one of the two top corners in Peters or Wayne's if we do stay in 15 I and don't go corner position would take D tackle Shelton or one of the two top wide receivers not D GB I would not be bad with a corner in the first receiver in the second dealine Oro line in third hopefully we can do a little bit of movement to acquire a 2nd 3rd round pick