Grab a Wide Receiver in the 1st AND 2nd round?

Lots of good football sense in this thread. Tranches is the way to go. We might lose one stand out on each side this year in JSmith and Iupati

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by ChazBoner:

success lives or dies in the trenches. so, no.

This. Calvin Johnson has won how many SB's exactly?

Meanwhile, what amazing WR-s do the two Superbowl teams have?

I dont see any need to take more than one WR in the first four or five rounds.

Tho I agree we don't need more than 1 WR n I'd like to see white in the first but how many rings did jerry rice win? Teams win different way some do it with defense n some do it with offense...some win with a great ground game while others win with a great passing attack...there is no exact formula for winning the SB...btw u wouldn't put CJ on this niners team if u could? Ur crazy

I hope we take a WR in the first. I wouldn't mind taking another in the 3rd or 4th.

Originally posted by cmix23:
Tho I agree we don't need more than 1 WR n I'd like to see white in the first but how many rings did jerry rice win? Teams win different way some do it with defense n some do it with offense...some win with a great ground game while others win with a great passing attack...there is no exact formula for winning the SB...btw u wouldn't put CJ on this niners team if u could? Ur crazy

How many did the 49ers win in the 5 years before Jerry Rice came on board. Its nice to have that beastly dominating receiver but its hardly a prerequisite to win a championship. On the other hand, being strong on both sides of the trenches IS a prerequisite pretty much.

If Justin Smith retires, DL becomes the #1 need by far IMO. 49ers can get by with Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington and a deep threat like a Lockett or Dorsett......easily, especially when you consider the DE's.


The effect that Justin Smith has can't simply be replaced by some random guy, the 49ers would have to invest strongly to keep the DL as a strength, even with Carradine as an up and coming young guy. You can't lose Ray McDonald AND Justin Smith and then have WR as the biggest need IMO.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

How many did the 49ers win in the 5 years before Jerry Rice came on board. Its nice to have that beastly dominating receiver but its hardly a prerequisite to win a championship. On the other hand, being strong on both sides of the trenches IS a prerequisite pretty much.

If Justin Smith retires, DL becomes the #1 need by far IMO. 49ers can get by with Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington and a deep threat like a Lockett or Dorsett......easily, especially when you consider the DE's.


The effect that Justin Smith has can't simply be replaced by some random guy, the 49ers would have to invest strongly to keep the DL as a strength, even with Carradine as an up and coming young guy. You can't lose Ray McDonald AND Justin Smith and then have WR as the biggest need IMO.

I agree with u...my point was simply u can win a variety of different ways..but yes if Cowboy retires we need to address that, if he doesn't I honestly think we have to get a true number 1 receiver that can take the top off..not sit on the bench or return kicks..we have to get that 8th man outta the box if we wanna run the ball

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Kuya:
York is looking to feature an elite offense. There is risk in this, but is it crazy to pick a WR in both the 1st and 2nd round?

You have your usual suspects in 1st round, but come the 2nd round you have guys like Jaleen Strong, Nelson Agholor, Rashad Greene possibly available for us.

I also think if Dorial Green-Beckham falls to us in the second round and we've grabbed someone like White/Parker in the first, you HAVE to jump on the opportunity to draft both.

If Justin Smith retires, WR isn't even the #1 need IMO. No need to go that early for two of them when you've still got Boldin, Johnson and two developing young players in Patton and Ellington.

When does he have to inform us?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
How many did the 49ers win in the 5 years before Jerry Rice came on board. Its nice to have that beastly dominating receiver but its hardly a prerequisite to win a championship. On the other hand, being strong on both sides of the trenches IS a prerequisite pretty much.

If Justin Smith retires, DL becomes the #1 need by far IMO. 49ers can get by with Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington and a deep threat like a Lockett or Dorsett......easily, especially when you consider the DE's.


The effect that Justin Smith has can't simply be replaced by some random guy, the 49ers would have to invest strongly to keep the DL as a strength, even with Carradine as an up and coming young guy. You can't lose Ray McDonald AND Justin Smith and then have WR as the biggest need IMO.

IMO, a VERY big reason our Dbacks had as many interceptions was the pressure the front 7 especially Justin brought.

Also, I think even if he returns we must go DL in the first because he'll only be back for one more year. Having a guy like Justin to work w/a high potential rookie would be awesome.

Part of Lynch's success was the influence and impressions made by Justin's work ethic which he emulate.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
If Justin Smith retires, WR isn't even the #1 need IMO. No need to go that early for two of them when you've still got Boldin, Johnson and two developing young players in Patton and Ellington.

This.
Even if one of them leaves, you certainly don't need to go after two WRs in the first 2 or even first 3 rounds at all. The WR-class is deep again so that we can wait.

Contrary to that, we need some quality at the D-Line immediately, imho, independent of Cowboy's decision. Justin will retire either this or next off-season, Carradine is a question mark, RayMac is gone, the other guys are solid but not more, save for Ian Williams, who is very injury-prone so far.
You seem to underestimate the importance of the trenches...as every year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Kuya:

York is looking to feature an elite offense. There is risk in this, but is it crazy to pick a WR in both the 1st and 2nd round?

You have your usual suspects in 1st round, but come the 2nd round you have guys like Jaleen Strong, Nelson Agholor, Rashad Greene possibly available for us.

I also think if Dorial Green-Beckham falls to us in the second round and we've grabbed someone like White/Parker in the first, you HAVE to jump on the opportunity to draft both.

If Justin Smith retires, WR isn't even the #1 need IMO. No need to go that early for two of them when you've still got Boldin, Johnson and two developing young players in Patton and Ellington.

The beauty of the Tomsula hire is that Justin Smith is likely coming back. I'm all for drafting 2 WRs but idk about doing it in the first 2 rounds. Maybe 1st and 3rd

Maybe with one of the picks but not both.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cmix23:
Tho I agree we don't need more than 1 WR n I'd like to see white in the first but how many rings did jerry rice win? Teams win different way some do it with defense n some do it with offense...some win with a great ground game while others win with a great passing attack...there is no exact formula for winning the SB...btw u wouldn't put CJ on this niners team if u could? Ur crazy

How many did the 49ers win in the 5 years before Jerry Rice came on board. Its nice to have that beastly dominating receiver but its hardly a prerequisite to win a championship. On the other hand, being strong on both sides of the trenches IS a prerequisite pretty much.

If Justin Smith retires, DL becomes the #1 need by far IMO. 49ers can get by with Boldin, Johnson, Patton, Ellington and a deep threat like a Lockett or Dorsett......easily, especially when you consider the DE's.


The effect that Justin Smith has can't simply be replaced by some random guy, the 49ers would have to invest strongly to keep the DL as a strength, even with Carradine as an up and coming young guy. You can't lose Ray McDonald AND Justin Smith and then have WR as the biggest need IMO.

Originally posted by dompernick53:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
That is overkill and something you only do when you don't have starters. We have two starters next season. I don't mind picking up Kevin White in the first and Dorsett in the third (he seems to get higher and higher every week lol). Or even Dorsett in the third and another receiver late. I'm comfortable with Patton and Ellington being given the opportunity to get A LOT of snaps next season so we can finally see what those guys can do. It's not like we have a bunch of scrubs out there They are just misused.

Now D-line on the other hand has experienced a drop in talent with the loss of Ray McDonald alone. If Justin Smith retires, the drop off will be even more significant. With the hire of Jim Tomsula a few weeks back, I asked the board if anyone thinks D-line will become priority number one? Tomsula has done great work with UDFAs and late picks for years. Adding a first round pick on the D-line will give Tomsula the opportunity to work with something he has nevrer had, a young, elite player coming out of college (Justin Smith is definitely elite, but he was also 8 years into his career when he got here). I think having a guy like Danny Shelton and Glen Dorsey (at DE) on line can do a lot to shut down any team's running game, notably Seattle's. Shelton can also provide a little push up the middle so QB's won't simply be able to step up when the rush is coming.

Tank Carradine... Was graded a 1st round talent if it wasn't for his torn ACL

I forgot about Tank. Regardless, I'd still like to give Tomsula another elite talent to develop. If he can make 7th round picks/UDFAs rotational guys and serviceable starters that can make it to a second contract, what could he do with a starting D-line of Tank Carradine, Danny Shelton, and Glen Dorsey?

I'd also like to think that Jared Odrick could still be in play.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Murphys1:
I'd like to think that Carridine, Dial, Williams, Dorsey and the like would really start to pull their weight this season...Ramsey, too. It's almost, though, like expecting Bogut to always be there for you...better have a plan B.

Bogut is good when healthy and much needed.

Williams = Bogut

Good comparison! I think Bogut is actually a better center than Williams is a NT...but point is well taken.

Fact! Not opinion...

When Bogut is in the line up and all five starters are in, Warriors are very hard to beat. Williams is good, but wasn't missed much until Dorsey also went down.

I like Williams, but I hope we get a NT in the draft.

Dorsey or Williams if we have to cut?? I like Dorsey

Sadly until it's known that CK is the long term solution at QB, this teams identity is the defense and using the 1st 2 picks on WRs would be a bad move. Addressing it in the 2nd round is a more prudent move but they gotta sure up the D-line and there's some good ones out there who could have immediate impact.

It's actually why I think they may be a dark horse to kick around the idea of bringing in Suh if Cowboy jets. Likely won't happen because he'll want top dollar but it'd be similar to what they did to help with the transition from an aging, soon to be retiring BYoung, when they signed JSmith.

I won't be upset with WR or DL... as long as it's one of those in the 1st rd

I prefer WR, but if Justin bounces, then I do like DL (even Nose Tackle)...