NYniner85 pre-combine mock

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Confused why you go with 2 DEs with first four picks. I don't like that move at all. It's a heavy investment for what our new HC supposed to be good at developing.

The double down on White and Dorsett I like. It would be nice if they both fell to us where you're drafting them.

If you were to dump Phillips and draft a CB in the second round, I would be down with the mock..

Well this all depends on if Smith retires (might lose two really good starters). But Phillips is more of a NT than a DE. Williams is constantly hurt and I think being able to stop the run in the NFC West is very important.

Phillips is a massive man at 6-6 334 with really long arms. He would be plugging the holes and scouts have said if he get's that motor going he could be a dominate pro. He needs to work on pass rush but like I said we have a good teacher at that position

Anderson could be more of a 5 technique (like Justin Smith) he has shown real promise at the SB (can line up all over) and I think the 4th RD would be a good spot to grab a DE. He would be the coach's new project and having Tank, him, and Dial would only help keep the line fresh. The defense has always been based around the DL.

I don't see a huge difference in CBs that are projected in the 1st 2 rds and later in the draft. Baalke has proven to find good CBs through out the draft. Cully 3rd, Brock UDFA, Brown 5th, DJ 4th, Cooper 7th etc...DL makes the CBs better in my opinion, plus I think we resign one of the two.

Like I said it this all depends on FA and such...Baalke is wild with his picks and trades, so honestly who knows what he will do

I don't see Phillips playing nose in a 34. And to be honest I'm not all that impressed with his film either. I think he's a DE in a 34 and DT in a 43. He's the only pick I have issues with. Otherwise I'm on board.

Here is what a AFC North scout said

"He has the body type and length to play in a 3-4 or 4-3 front, but there is no reason to move him from the nose. If he gets that motor going, he could be a dominant pro." -- AFC North scout

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jordan-phillips?id=2552492

Any chance you could post some film on him? From what I've been able to find, which isn't a lot, I don't see a 34 nose. I see a top heavy 43 DT that doesn't play with good leverage. The potential is there, but the film is not.

here ya go

http://draftbreakdown.com/video-embed/?clip=254449&start=444&end=451

Thanks for sharing, but the film just confirmed my prior assesment. I saw decent agility and quickness, but also saw him being handled one on one. I saw minimal effort and saw him being washed out on running plays. He wasn't even very good at holding the LOS.

What are you seeing in him that I'm not?

Did you watch the tape? He was eating up 2 blockers, was in the back field quite a bit, and was clogging up lanes. He is very quick for his size, while he isn't as good as Shelton, Goldman, and Brown (they will all be gone by the time we pick) He does have some good upside and we have the right coaching staff to coach him up to the next level.

"Phillips was impressive in 2014. He had a surprising burst for such a big lineman and used his size to overwhelm offensive linemen. In 2014, Phillips had 39 tackles, seven tackles for a loss, two sacks, and one pass batted. The redshirt sophomore caused disruption at the point of attack and looks like an excellent candidate to play 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL. That's the same role he played for Oklahoma." Walterfootball

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
Confused why you go with 2 DEs with first four picks. I don't like that move at all. It's a heavy investment for what our new HC supposed to be good at developing.

The double down on White and Dorsett I like. It would be nice if they both fell to us where you're drafting them.

If you were to dump Phillips and draft a CB in the second round, I would be down with the mock..

Well this all depends on if Smith retires (might lose two really good starters). But Phillips is more of a NT than a DE. Williams is constantly hurt and I think being able to stop the run in the NFC West is very important.

Phillips is a massive man at 6-6 334 with really long arms. He would be plugging the holes and scouts have said if he get's that motor going he could be a dominate pro. He needs to work on pass rush but like I said we have a good teacher at that position

Anderson could be more of a 5 technique (like Justin Smith) he has shown real promise at the SB (can line up all over) and I think the 4th RD would be a good spot to grab a DE. He would be the coach's new project and having Tank, him, and Dial would only help keep the line fresh. The defense has always been based around the DL.

I don't see a huge difference in CBs that are projected in the 1st 2 rds and later in the draft. Baalke has proven to find good CBs through out the draft. Cully 3rd, Brock UDFA, Brown 5th, DJ 4th, Cooper 7th etc...DL makes the CBs better in my opinion, plus I think we resign one of the two.

Like I said it this all depends on FA and such...Baalke is wild with his picks and trades, so honestly who knows what he will do

I don't see Phillips playing nose in a 34. And to be honest I'm not all that impressed with his film either. I think he's a DE in a 34 and DT in a 43. He's the only pick I have issues with. Otherwise I'm on board.

Here is what a AFC North scout said

"He has the body type and length to play in a 3-4 or 4-3 front, but there is no reason to move him from the nose. If he gets that motor going, he could be a dominant pro." -- AFC North scout

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/jordan-phillips?id=2552492

Any chance you could post some film on him? From what I've been able to find, which isn't a lot, I don't see a 34 nose. I see a top heavy 43 DT that doesn't play with good leverage. The potential is there, but the film is not.

here ya go

http://draftbreakdown.com/video-embed/?clip=254449&start=444&end=451

Thanks for sharing, but the film just confirmed my prior assesment. I saw decent agility and quickness, but also saw him being handled one on one. I saw minimal effort and saw him being washed out on running plays. He wasn't even very good at holding the LOS.

What are you seeing in him that I'm not?

Did you watch the tape? He was eating up 2 blockers, was in the back field quite a bit, and was clogging up lanes. He is very quick for his size, while he isn't as good as Shelton, Goldman, and Brown (they will all be gone by the time we pick) He does have some good upside and we have the right coaching staff to coach him up to the next level.

"Phillips was impressive in 2014. He had a surprising burst for such a big lineman and used his size to overwhelm offensive linemen. In 2014, Phillips had 39 tackles, seven tackles for a loss, two sacks, and one pass batted. The redshirt sophomore caused disruption at the point of attack and looks like an excellent candidate to play 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL. That's the same role he played for Oklahoma." Walterfootball

I watched it twice.

He plays too tall for the nose in a 34. Of the highlights posted, watch how many times the offensive lineman gets under Phillips pads and stands him up. Phillips isn't driving anyone back, but rather using his speed/agility to slip blocks. And for him to have that athletic ability, I would expect for him to have better stamina. Maybe he should drop some weight? Again, I see a 43 DT or a 34 DE.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I watched it twice.

He plays too tall for the nose in a 34. Of the highlights posted, watch how many times the offensive lineman gets under Phillips pads and stands him up. Phillips isn't driving anyone back, but rather using his speed/agility to slip blocks. And for him to have that athletic ability, I would expect for him to have better stamina. Maybe he should drop some weight? Again, I see a 43 DT or a 34 DE.

He does have issues with this, so I agree with that. Based off of what I've read by numerous scouts that's his biggest problem but they all say he has great athletic ability for his size and if under the right coach, should have a good career as a 3-4 NT. Who do you like in the 2nd rd at NT?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I watched it twice.

He plays too tall for the nose in a 34. Of the highlights posted, watch how many times the offensive lineman gets under Phillips pads and stands him up. Phillips isn't driving anyone back, but rather using his speed/agility to slip blocks. And for him to have that athletic ability, I would expect for him to have better stamina. Maybe he should drop some weight? Again, I see a 43 DT or a 34 DE.

He does have issues with this, so I agree with that. Based off of what I've read by numerous scouts that's his biggest problem but they all say he has great athletic ability for his size and if under the right coach, should have a good career as a 3-4 NT. Who do you like in the 2nd rd at NT?

I don't have a 34 nose on my radar in the 2nd, but I would love to land ECU's Terry Williams in the 4th or 5th.

To be honest, there are only two 34 noses I would want, and 15 is too high for Shelton imo.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I don't have a 34 nose on my radar in the 2nd, but I would love to land ECU's Terry Williams in the 4th or 5th.

To be honest, there are only two 34 noses I would want, and 15 is too high for Shelton imo.

I agree Shelton is a beast, but I'd hate to spend a top 15 pick on a NT. I think Philips has a ton of upside... he has the height, speed, and weight for a good NT he will be able to eat up blockers and is pretty athletic for his size. He needs to be coached up on fundamentals though.

Just a early mock a lot can change after the combine

Also after watching the SB, I've started checking out quick, smaller WRs that Seattle seems to have trouble with. I knew Edelman would eat up the LOB... so glad they didn't win!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I don't have a 34 nose on my radar in the 2nd, but I would love to land ECU's Terry Williams in the 4th or 5th.

To be honest, there are only two 34 noses I would want, and 15 is too high for Shelton imo.

I agree Shelton is a beast, but I'd hate to spend a top 15 pick on a NT. I think Philips has a ton of upside... he has the height, speed, and weight for a good NT he will be able to eat up blockers and is pretty athletic for his size. He needs to be coached up on fundamentals though.

Just a early mock a lot can change after the combine

Also after watching the SB, I've started checking out quick, smaller WRs that Seattle seems to have trouble with. I knew Edelman would eat up the LOB... so glad they didn't win!

Agree we need a shifty slot receiver. I think McDaniels did a masterful job singling out his slot against the nickel/lbs in the game. We could also use a pass catching RB threat like vereen. Brady looked just like Montana last night. WCO working it's way down the field. Just makes me wonder whether it was HaRoman holding us back or if Kaep is not capable of running a WCO.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I don't have a 34 nose on my radar in the 2nd, but I would love to land ECU's Terry Williams in the 4th or 5th.

To be honest, there are only two 34 noses I would want, and 15 is too high for Shelton imo.

I agree Shelton is a beast, but I'd hate to spend a top 15 pick on a NT. I think Philips has a ton of upside... he has the height, speed, and weight for a good NT he will be able to eat up blockers and is pretty athletic for his size. He needs to be coached up on fundamentals though.

Just a early mock a lot can change after the combine

Also after watching the SB, I've started checking out quick, smaller WRs that Seattle seems to have trouble with. I knew Edelman would eat up the LOB... so glad they didn't win!

Agree we need a shifty slot receiver. I think McDaniels did a masterful job singling out his slot against the nickel/lbs in the game. We could also use a pass catching RB threat like vereen. Brady looked just like Montana last night. WCO working it's way down the field. Just makes me wonder whether it was HaRoman holding us back or if Kaep is not capable of running a WCO.

After watching that game I actually wouldn't have been upset with McDaniels being the HC, especially with the staff they assembled.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
After watching that game I actually wouldn't have been upset with McDaniels being the HC, especially with the staff they assembled.

But I would. He is a moron. We fired a HC with some character issues just a month ago.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
After watching that game I actually wouldn't have been upset with McDaniels being the HC, especially with the staff they assembled.

But I would. He is a moron. We fired a HC with some character issues just a month ago.

LOL well he wasn't my 1st choice, but he was higher on the list then Tomsula...just because it didn't work in Denver doesn't mean it couldn't have worked in SF.

Either way it didn't happen, gonna have to see what JT an Co. can do.....

Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL well he wasn't my 1st choice, but he was higher on the list then Tomsula...just because it didn't work in Denver doesn't mean it couldn't have worked in SF.

Either way it didn't happen, gonna have to see what JT an Co. can do.....

sorry, my statement was too ambiguous. It is not about his knowledge, it is about his character. I don't want any a*****es around here. Therefore, if you would have asked my, I'd have gone after Tomsula rather than for McDump.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
LOL well he wasn't my 1st choice, but he was higher on the list then Tomsula...just because it didn't work in Denver doesn't mean it couldn't have worked in SF.

Either way it didn't happen, gonna have to see what JT an Co. can do.....

sorry, my statement was too ambiguous. It is not about his knowledge, it is about his character. I don't want any a*****es around here. Therefore, if you would have asked my, I'd have gone after Tomsula rather than for McDump.

Fair enough ...I'm all about a coach that knows x's and o's, can make adjustments, and has a week to week game plan...or at least has a staff that is really knowledgeable. I think Baalke backfired a little on the staff around Tomsula. We will find out soon enough to see if this was the right move.

Your assessment on defensive backs is right, Baalke can spot them late in the draft and they produce.

Originally posted by RishikeshA:
Your assessment on defensive backs is right, Baalke can spot them late in the draft and they produce.

Yeah and I don't really see this as a strong CB class. He will find a diamond in the rough.

looking more like White might not make it to 15......