amari cooper -- a true nfl #1 wr

Originally posted by HarboutTHAT:
You prob said the same thing last year, and if we would have done that TB would be thought of as a genius.... And I'd own a Beckham Jersey...

Last year, I wanted to stay put & draft Bradley Roby. But I would've been more than Happy with trading up for ODB; he was clearly a stud WR.

Just for clarification, I think Cooper is a great WR; I just don't want the team to trade up for him.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

No I'm not exaggerating. The WR class is so incredibly strong that trading up for Cooper would be the biggest waste of a draft we could possibly do. It'd be worse than trading up for a pass rusher or a even an OL.

I'll backtrack enough to say it wouldn't be quite as dumb as trading up for Jamies Winston.

Disagree that this WR class is very strong. It is good but nowhere as deep as last years was on paper.

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Disagree that this WR class is very strong. It is good but nowhere as deep as last years was on paper.

You're right this isn't as good a WR class as last year. Last year's WR class was insane though.

Cooper is great, but I don't see a huge difference between a WR like Davante Parker and him (or Jalen Strong, DGB and maybe a couple of others). However, it would take a huge cost to trade up and get that negligible difference in output at WR.

The difference between a guy like Leonard Williams and the next-best 5-tech' in the class... say... Malcom Brown, Carl Davis, Arik Armstead... whoever you think is the next-best 5-tech'... the difference between Leonard and the likes of those other guys is like night & day.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Disagree that this WR class is very strong. It is good but nowhere as deep as last years was on paper.

You're right this isn't as good a WR class as last year. Last year's WR class was insane though.

Cooper is great, but I don't see a huge difference between a WR like Davante Parker and him (or Jalen Strong, DGB and maybe a couple of others). However, it would take a huge cost to trade up and get that negligible difference in output at WR.

The difference between a guy like Leonard Williams and the next-best 5-tech' in the class... say... Malcom Brown, Carl Davis, Arik Armstead... whoever you think is the next-best 5-tech'... the difference between Leonard and the likes of those other guys is like night & day.

I think this class is very good at WR, and I think it's actually deeper than last year. Maybe not as top-heavy, but we'll see.

I agree that Williams is head-and-shoulders better than the rest of the DL in the class. I think Cooper is that much better than DGB, Parker, and Strong, though, in that he gains separation so much more dramatically and consistently than the rest of them. I am torn regarding White. I think his size and aggressiveness to the ball makes him a more attractive jump ball threat and red zone weapon, but Cooper is just so good and so consistent. I would be pumped if we traded up for Cooper or Williams. I think I'd still be excited if we traded up for White. I think he will be very good, and we can afford to wait a year while Boldin starts and White learns the intracacies of route running from Henry and Curry (we have REAL WR coaches ). I get nervous about any WR who can struggle to separate, and the next 3 WRs (Parker, Strong, DGB, imo) have that issue, at least for now.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

I agree that Williams is head-and-shoulders better than the rest of the DL in the class. I think Cooper is that much better than DGB, Parker, and Strong, though, in that he gains separation so much more dramatically and consistently than the rest of them.

I'm definitely not seeing the same thing you are if you think Cooper is THAT much better than the rest. One could even argue that DGB was a better receiver when they were both playing. And White is probably better than Cooper anyway.

I don't even think Devin Smith is that far behind Cooper.

Who do you think the 2nd-best 5-tech' player is in this draft?

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

I agree that Williams is head-and-shoulders better than the rest of the DL in the class. I think Cooper is that much better than DGB, Parker, and Strong, though, in that he gains separation so much more dramatically and consistently than the rest of them.

I'm definitely not seeing the same thing you are if you think Cooper is THAT much better than the rest. One could even argue that DGB was a better receiver when they were both playing. And White is probably better than Cooper anyway.

I don't even think Devin Smith is that far behind Cooper.

Who do you think the 2nd-best 5-tech' player is in this draft?

I think Goldman is probably the next best DE in our scheme (LDE only for us), but he's obviously not the disruptive force that Williams can be. I'm pretty sure I said I'd be excited about trading up for Williams. Obviously just partially agreeing with you isn't enough to keep you from releasing the hounds, lol.

I think Devin Smith has a LONG way to go before he can be compared with Cooper. I think he has great physical tools, but there's no question that Cooper is the superior route runner, and I don't see evidence that Smith is as good of a runner after the catch. I think DGB and Strong will start out struggling to gain separation in the NFL That always worries me. Some guys can succeed in spite of that; some can't. Other than Boldin, Kap seems to like his guys to get wide open, which I think Cooper will continue to do in the league. IMO, WRs who regularly gain significant separation through route running, superior change of direction, and acceleration and who are reliable hands catchers tend to succeed regularly in the NFL. Cooper offers all of that

As I said before, White is a tough prospect for me. One year of production, but great aggressive demeanor on the field, great physical stature and athleticism, great ability to track and high point, and a star after the catch. He's not as refined as Cooper, but he's more physically imposing, and he might be better down the road. Tough call on those two, but I already said that I wouldn't be upset about trading up for either of them.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Goldman is probably the next best DE in our scheme (LDE only for us), but he's obviously not the disruptive force that Williams can be. I'm pretty sure I said I'd be excited about trading up for Williams. Obviously just partially agreeing with you isn't enough to keep you from releasing the hounds, lol.

Release the hounds? I didn't realize that's how I was coming off. I was just curious who you thought the next-best 5-tech was.

I actually see Goldman as more of a NT who can play snaps at LDE like Ngata did in Baltimore. He'd be a great 1-gap NT IMO.

You could be right about Mr. Cooper; he's a great prospect. But I'd actually be happier with Goldman than Cooper. Gotta keep the DL dominant above all else (QB notwithstanding).

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
You're right this isn't as good a WR class as last year. Last year's WR class was insane though.

Cooper is great, but I don't see a huge difference between a WR like Davante Parker and him (or Jalen Strong, DGB and maybe a couple of others). However, it would take a huge cost to trade up and get that negligible difference in output at WR.

The difference between a guy like Leonard Williams and the next-best 5-tech' in the class... say... Malcom Brown, Carl Davis, Arik Armstead... whoever you think is the next-best 5-tech'... the difference between Leonard and the likes of those other guys is like night & day.

there`s an Article that breaksdown Strong that you should read very good read,it will cause you NOT to compare Strong to Cooper at all.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2409986-freak-show-wr-that-could-be-better-than-amari-cooper-and-kevin-white

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think Goldman is probably the next best DE in our scheme (LDE only for us), but he's obviously not the disruptive force that Williams can be. I'm pretty sure I said I'd be excited about trading up for Williams. Obviously just partially agreeing with you isn't enough to keep you from releasing the hounds, lol.

Release the hounds? I didn't realize that's how I was coming off. I was just curious who you thought the next-best 5-tech was.

I actually see Goldman as more of a NT who can play snaps at LDE like Ngata did in Baltimore. He'd be a great 1-gap NT IMO.

You could be right about Mr. Cooper; he's a great prospect. But I'd actually be happier with Goldman than Cooper. Gotta keep the DL dominant above all else (QB notwithstanding).

I was kidding ("lol"). I think Goldman is more of a NT, too, but that's pretty much the same thing as the LDE in Fangio's scheme (occupy two OL). I don't like Davis' motor, and I think Anderson is a year in a NFL weight room away from being the player he should be.

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
there`s an Article that breaksdown Strong that you should read very good read,it will cause you NOT to compare Strong to Cooper at all.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2409986-freak-show-wr-that-could-be-better-than-amari-cooper-and-kevin-white

I just see a white screen on the article when I click on the link.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:
there`s an Article that breaksdown Strong that you should read very good read,it will cause you NOT to compare Strong to Cooper at all.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2409986-freak-show-wr-that-could-be-better-than-amari-cooper-and-kevin-white

I just see a white screen on the article when I click on the link.

It's the same one that was posted 2-3 weeks ago. He has the physical skills, competetive mindset, and strong hands to be dominant once he gets coached up. That one.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

I'm definitely not seeing the same thing you are if you think Cooper is THAT much better than the rest. One could even argue that DGB was a better receiver when they were both playing. And White is probably better than Cooper anyway.

I don't even think Devin Smith is that far behind Cooper.

Who do you think the 2nd-best 5-tech' player is in this draft?

DGB and Smith are not comparable to Cooper. AC is at least a tier above DGB in terms of everything we have to compare the two and at least 2 tiers above Smith.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
I'm definitely not seeing the same thing you are if you think Cooper is THAT much better than the rest. One could even argue that DGB was a better receiver when they were both playing. And White is probably better than Cooper anyway.

I don't even think Devin Smith is that far behind Cooper.

Who do you think the 2nd-best 5-tech' player is in this draft?

DGB and Smith are not comparable to Cooper. AC is at least a tier above DGB in terms of everything we have to compare the two and at least 2 tiers above Smith.

This is just a silly comment to actually think DGB/Smith are even close to Cooper.

• He destroyed the SEC with Blake Sims throwing him the ball.
• He's combine number's were on par with OBJ and his is bigger than him.
• Cooper runs amazing routes, get's constant separation, and is a 3rd down beast.
• He is a threat at all levels in the field.

He is the most complete and pro-ready WR in the draft class.

College Football Focus (PFF)


Amari Cooper is head and shoulders above the rest of the receivers in this draft class. He finished the season as the top-graded wide out.

When you turn on the tape you see not only one of the most physically impressive receivers available, but also by far the most sophisticated when it comes to route running, understanding of zones and intelligence on the field.

Cooper was made the focal point of the Alabama offense and carried that load easily, finding space against zone coverage and beating man coverage with equal comfort.

He is a smooth athlete with good hands, speed, size and athleticism after the catch and should produce at a high level from Day 1.