Melvin Gordon - RB - Wisconsin

RB >>> WR and impacts your win column greater IMO. Yes today's game is a passing game but AP in his prime has impacted games more than any WR this decade. You know AP is getting at least 20 touches and you have to account for him every snap he is in. I don't see any top pick WRs doing that aside from DGB and his behavior might drop him. Hopefully to us

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
RB >>> WR and impacts your win column greater IMO. Yes today's game is a passing game but AP in his prime has impacted games more than any WR this decade. You know AP is getting at least 20 touches and you have to account for him every snap he is in. I don't see any top pick WRs doing that aside from DGB and his behavior might drop him. Hopefully to us

I wholeheartedly agree RB>WR but Gordon may not be better than Gurley or Coleman... or even Abdullah or Johnson. Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

In this draft, I don't think anyone would be surprised if one of the 2nd-3rd round backs (like Duke Johnson or Abdullah or Coleman) actually turned out to be the best. Therefore we need to go with a reciever or DL in the first.

Originally posted by All22:
I wholeheartedly agree RB>WR but Gordon may not be better than Gurley or Coleman... or even Abdullah or Johnson. Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

In this draft, I don't think anyone would be surprised if one of the 2nd-3rd round backs (like Duke Johnson or Abdullah or Coleman) actually turned out to be the best. Therefore we need to go with a reciever or DL in the first.

Well whoever that WR is I hope he gets us some chunk yardage plays because we need them vs the defenses in this division. Oh how I wish we could have gotten Desean Jackson last offseason

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

RB >>> WR and impacts your win column greater IMO. Yes today's game is a passing game but AP in his prime has impacted games more than any WR this decade. You know AP is getting at least 20 touches and you have to account for him every snap he is in. I don't see any top pick WRs doing that aside from DGB and his behavior might drop him. Hopefully to us

Oh sure RB impact more than WR, but on the flip side it's easier to find impact backs than big time receivers. Of course a player like AP or Charles or Lynch is extremely valuable, but many if not most of the elite backs in this league right now were not 1st round picks. I'm pretty sure top receivers are found much more frequently in the 1st. That's why I say we could get someone like Coleman or Johnson (maybe even Gurley) in the 2nd round and the the perceived drop off is much less than at receiver.

Gordon > Coleman
Cooper >>>>>>>>>> Coates

That's where I'm coming from

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by All22:
I wholeheartedly agree RB>WR but Gordon may not be better than Gurley or Coleman... or even Abdullah or Johnson. Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

In this draft, I don't think anyone would be surprised if one of the 2nd-3rd round backs (like Duke Johnson or Abdullah or Coleman) actually turned out to be the best. Therefore we need to go with a reciever or DL in the first.

Well whoever that WR is I hope he gets us some chunk yardage plays because we need them vs the defenses in this division. Oh how I wish we could have gotten Desean Jackson last offseason

You don't beat Seattle by trying to throw deep... Ask Brees, Rodgers, Stafford or both Mannings. You beat them by getting after Wilson and running them over. Remember this is a team that locks down Dez Bryant, Megatron, Julio Jones, and Jimmy Graham.

Originally posted by All22:
Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

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I think he is a very underrated inside runner. Also not sure why his vision is a red flag for you ?



Bucky Brooks on Gordons Vision

Gordon displays exceptional vision with the ball in his hands. He quickly spots open lanes between the tackles, but also shows the awareness to bounce to the outside when defenders fall inside. Gordon complements his terrific anticipation with remarkable stutter-step quickness, balance and body control. As a result, Gordon is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball as a runner.

Melvin Gordon -> Vision, Short Area Explosiveness, Elusiveness, Physicality.



Also people should not sleep on Tevin Coleman. I have Gordon at 1 and Coleman at 2 but its VERY close.

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by All22:
Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

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I think he is a very underrated inside runner. Also not sure why his vision is a red flag for you ?



Bucky Brooks on Gordons Vision

Gordon displays exceptional vision with the ball in his hands. He quickly spots open lanes between the tackles, but also shows the awareness to bounce to the outside when defenders fall inside. Gordon complements his terrific anticipation with remarkable stutter-step quickness, balance and body control. As a result, Gordon is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball as a runner.

A 215lb back shouldn't be an "underrated inside runner". It should be his strength not his weakness.

That scouting report is selectively true. Gordon's line at Wisconsin gives him some of the biggest holes in the country then he just tries to outrun everyone to the end zone.

What you don't see him doing is setting up defenders and juking them out of their shoes like Duke Johnson or Jamal Charles, making guys miss tackles in a phone booth like Gore or Shady McCoy, or even running through guys like Lynch/Hyde/Lacy.

The best backs in the NFL are the ones that can use those skills to turn 1 yard gains in 4 yards or 3 yard gains into 7 yards.

The more tape I watch of him the more it seems like he's more Knile Davis than Jamal Charles or Marshon Lynch.

Yes, Telvin Coleman is the real deal though. Adrian Peterson part 2.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by DeUh:

Originally posted by All22:
Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

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I think he is a very underrated inside runner. Also not sure why his vision is a red flag for you ?



Bucky Brooks on Gordons Vision

Gordon displays exceptional vision with the ball in his hands. He quickly spots open lanes between the tackles, but also shows the awareness to bounce to the outside when defenders fall inside. Gordon complements his terrific anticipation with remarkable stutter-step quickness, balance and body control. As a result, Gordon is a home-run threat every time he touches the ball as a runner.

A 215lb back shouldn't be an "underrated inside runner". It should be his strength not his weakness.

That scouting report is selectively true. Gordon's line at Wisconsin gives him some of the biggest holes in the country then he just tries to outrun everyone to the end zone.

What you don't see him doing is setting up defenders and juking them out of their shoes like Duke Johnson or Jamal Charles, making guys miss tackles in a phone booth like Gore or Shady McCoy, or even running through guys like Lynch/Hyde/Lacy.

The best backs in the NFL are the ones that can use those skills to turn 1 yard gains in 4 yards or 3 yard gains into 7 yards.

The more tape I watch of him the more it seems like he's more Knile Davis than Jamal Charles or Marshon Lynch.

Yes, Telvin Coleman is the real deal though. Adrian Peterson part 2.

Gordon jukes people out of their shoes, sets up blocks and make guys miss tackles all the time. When there is no other way he is also not afraid to run straight trough them.

Because of Wisconsins OL he is not doing it with with the same frequency as a few other top backs in this draft but IMO you can´t hold that against him. What is he supposed to do when the line creates these huge holes?



I used the word underrated because he doesn´t get enough credit for what he is doing between the tackles. It´s not a weakness. He is just electrifying in the open field.




You need to post in the Tevin Coleman thread then. tohara3 and I are almost the only ones at this point. http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/180030-tevin-coleman-rb-indiana/

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by Rascal:
I know where you are coming from, but like I said I don't want Seattle to become even more of a power house than they already are with their run game. If they get Gordon, their RB corps will be leaps and bounds ahead of us.

I have been telling dudes for a while on here now that Melvin Gordon if he were to fall to our pick is a must pick. Reason being is we need explosive players to crack SEA defense. I don't see any other WR this explosive aside from DGB and even then a WR touches the ball if you can get it to him a maximum of 8 times per contest whereas your RB gets nearly 20 touches. This means a higher usage rate and more opportunity to make impact plays. Ask SEA! Make no mistake they are the team to beat right now in our division and you see the pairing they have in place with Wilson and Lynch as a threat to get the ball on every play. Now imagine if we can pair Gordon with Kap in the same backfield and the defense then has to worry about either athlete breaking off a 90 yd TD run! I guarantee you that if we draft this kid we get more explosive plays and easy scores and KC beat SEA chiefly because of Jamaal Charles. If you put Gordon with Kap they will make each other better by leaps and bounds. Let's do it! I guess whatever game came on TV tonight that I missed has raised a few eyebrows around here

I am with you, man !! Let's do it !! This dude is just something else, 3 TDs yesterday and did you see that game when they played Nebraska ? Holy crap, 408 yards and 4 TDs !! This guy is the real deal !!

Originally posted by DeUh:
vs Nebraska

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vs Arizona State

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vs Southern Florida

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vs Minnesota

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vs Ohio State

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vs Nebraska

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vs Northwestern

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vs Northwestern

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vs LSU

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vs Iowa

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Bottom Page 5 Bump in case people missed it. I cut up a few of his runs.




Here are a few more of his runs (not my GIFs)


Acceleration
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Power
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Balance
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Quick Feet At The LOS
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Open Field
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Here is Gordon setting up blocks and juking people out of their shoes.







And last his Press Conference Today

The slow motion doesn't make it any more impressive. Go watch the Gore highlight I posted in the Duke Johnson thread or any Beastmode or Eddie Lacy highlight. There's a big difference.

Gordon's runs look more a LMJ highlight tape than Eddie Lacy or Beast Mode. I don't think that style of runner is going as well transfer well to the NFL. At best, he's Chris Johnson. At worst, he's... well, Chris Johnson. Once his speed goes or his line falls off a bit then he's going to be crap. In the wrong scheme he's crap.

Honestly, the reason I'm not posting in the Coleman thread is because it's clear a few members of the media get their article ideas from fan forums and I'd rather keep the attention on Gordon and Gurley so Coleman doesn't run up the boards. Maybe I'm just superstitious but I think guys like Tayvon Austin, Tim Tebow, and Stephen Hill owe a lot of their draft position to fan hype.

Originally posted by All22:
The slow motion doesn't make it any more impressive. Go watch the Gore highlight I posted in the Duke Johnson thread or any Beastmode or Eddie Lacy highlight. There's a big difference.

Gordon's runs look more a LMJ highlight tape than Eddie Lacy or Beast Mode. I don't think that style of runner is going as well transfer well to the NFL. At best, he's Chris Johnson. At worst, he's... well, Chris Johnson. Once his speed goes or his line falls off a bit then he's going to be crap. In the wrong scheme he's crap.

Honestly, the reason I'm not posting in the Coleman thread is because it's clear a few members of the media get their article ideas from fan forums and I'd rather keep the attention on Gordon and Gurley so Coleman doesn't run up the boards. Maybe I'm just superstitious but I think guys like Tayvon Austin, Tim Tebow, and Stephen Hill owe a lot of their draft position to fan hype.

How come Barry Sanders was good then?............

Originally posted by All22:
The slow motion doesn't make it any more impressive. Go watch the Gore highlight I posted in the Duke Johnson thread or any Beastmode or Eddie Lacy highlight. There's a big difference.

Gordon's runs look more a LMJ highlight tape than Eddie Lacy or Beast Mode. I don't think that style of runner is going as well transfer well to the NFL. At best, he's Chris Johnson. At worst, he's... well, Chris Johnson. Once his speed goes or his line falls off a bit then he's going to be crap. In the wrong scheme he's crap.

Honestly, the reason I'm not posting in the Coleman thread is because it's clear a few members of the media get their article ideas from fan forums and I'd rather keep the attention on Gordon and Gurley so Coleman doesn't run up the boards. Maybe I'm just superstitious but I think guys like Tayvon Austin, Tim Tebow, and Stephen Hill owe a lot of their draft position to fan hype.

Originally posted by All22:
I wholeheartedly agree RB>WR but Gordon may not be better than Gurley or Coleman... or even Abdullah or Johnson. Gordon has some huge red flags (weak pass pro, average inside runner despite being 215lbs, ball security, vision, ran behind an awesome Oline etc).

In this draft, I don't think anyone would be surprised if one of the 2nd-3rd round backs (like Duke Johnson or Abdullah or Coleman) actually turned out to be the best. Therefore we need to go with a reciever or DL in the first.

Man I think your watching the wrong guy. His vision is some of the best a RB has had in the past ten years. His inside running is great because of his ability to find the holes with his vision. he didnt give up any huge plays this season with his pass protection. He could work on his ball security though.