Danny Shelton-DL-Washington

I would love Shelton at 15, but don't think he makes it out of the top 10.

He will go in the mid to late first but I am not buying the hype.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KaeptinKrunch:
Hmm? I know I've watched all of those videos multiple times. I don't think he's an elite player I really don't. He's not the passrusher people make him out to be IMO.

So you've watched the draft breakdown videos? No man his size should be able to run sideline to sideline like he does. He eats up multiple blockers and you can't leave him one on one. He would help everyone of our pass rushers and help stuff the run.

Exactly, this dude for as big as he is runs down screen passes lol. Sorry I just don't see him as being overhyped, that's such the easiest thing to say about a prospect. I mean people say things to down play him but he played a very solid game against one of thee best O-lines in college football in Stanford. That game was enough for me right there to think he would be a top 10 pick. If this kid is there at 15 please do not hold back Baalke.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KaeptinKrunch:
Hmm? I know I've watched all of those videos multiple times. I don't think he's an elite player I really don't. He's not the passrusher people make him out to be IMO.

So you've watched the draft breakdown videos? No man his size should be able to run sideline to sideline like he does. He eats up multiple blockers and you can't leave him one on one. He would help everyone of our pass rushers and help stuff the run.

Exactly, this dude for as big as he is runs down screen passes lol. Sorry I just don't see him as being overhyped, that's such the easiest thing to say about a prospect. I mean people say things to down play him but he played a very solid game against one of thee best O-lines in college football in Stanford. That game was enough for me right there to think he would be a top 10 pick. If this kid is there at 15 please do not hold back Baalke.

I agree with everything you 3 said except KK's hes not an elite player comment. I don't see him putting up 9 sacks in the NFL like he did last year, but he should get 5 per season regularly imo. But he's shown he's an every down player by playing an astounding 80% of plays last year. If you want to watch Sheldons strengths, watch Hau'oli Kikaha highlights and you'll see that you could give Sheldon assists on a lot of Kikahas 19 sacks. A team can only double team one player and Sheldon freed up his teammates to make plays. Imagine him with Aldon

Since there isn't any ILBs worthy to take in the first, the next best thing would be to put a big body like sheldon up front and let him take double teams so Bowman and whomever can just run free.

Originally posted by mtminer:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KaeptinKrunch:
Hmm? I know I've watched all of those videos multiple times. I don't think he's an elite player I really don't. He's not the passrusher people make him out to be IMO.

So you've watched the draft breakdown videos? No man his size should be able to run sideline to sideline like he does. He eats up multiple blockers and you can't leave him one on one. He would help everyone of our pass rushers and help stuff the run.

Exactly, this dude for as big as he is runs down screen passes lol. Sorry I just don't see him as being overhyped, that's such the easiest thing to say about a prospect. I mean people say things to down play him but he played a very solid game against one of thee best O-lines in college football in Stanford. That game was enough for me right there to think he would be a top 10 pick. If this kid is there at 15 please do not hold back Baalke.

I agree with everything you 3 said except KK's hes not an elite player comment. I don't see him putting up 9 sacks in the NFL like he did last year, but he should get 5 per season regularly imo. But he's shown he's an every down player by playing an astounding 80% of plays last year. If you want to watch Sheldons strengths, watch Hau'oli Kikaha highlights and you'll see that you could give Sheldon assists on a lot of Kikahas 19 sacks. A team can only double team one player and Sheldon freed up his teammates to make plays. Imagine him with Aldon

Since there isn't any ILBs worthy to take in the first, the next best thing would be to put a big body like sheldon up front and let him take double teams so Bowman and whomever can just run free.

Yup agree....NT in a 3-4 don't get a ton of sacks, there job is to eat up blockers and fill in the running lanes. The fact that he can rush the passer, plus track down players side -line to side-line is wild.

We could throw Dorsey into a DE role as well. Could you imagine on passing downs...Tank,Dockett, Shelton, A Smith, and Lynch (if J Smith retires) that's some serious pass rush

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup agree....NT in a 3-4 don't get a ton of sacks, there job is to eat up blockers and fill in the running lanes. The fact that he can rush the passer, plus track down players side -line to side-line is wild.

We could throw Dorsey into a DE role as well. Could you imagine on passing downs...Tank,Dockett, Shelton, A Smith, and Lynch (if J Smith retires) that's some serious pass rush

That would be VERY impressive.

Shelton's a freak...DL that big aren't supposed to be able to move like he does. I'd love it if he fell to #15, but I just don't see it. Da Bears need a lot of help on their DL...they signed Ray Mac, so Fangio has at least one DL he knows can play in his defense. While he's historically liked NT's that aren't as big as Shelton, I'll be very surprised if he makes it past Chicago. Shelton's huge, but can really move...and could be the anchor Fangio needs.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Shelton's a freak...DL that big aren't supposed to be able to move like he does. I'd love it if he fell to #15, but I just don't see it. Da Bears need a lot of help on their DL...they signed Ray Mac, so Fangio has at least one DL he knows can play in his defense. While he's historically liked NT's that aren't as big as Shelton, I'll be very surprised if he makes it past Chicago. Shelton's huge, but can really move...and could be the anchor Fangio needs.

They need a lot more than a NT with the 7th overall pick... OLB is also very important to Vic and there are some really really good ones in top of the draft and you said it yourself VIc doesn't roll with big NT like Shelton, but Mangini does!

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Shelton's a freak...DL that big aren't supposed to be able to move like he does.

That's what they said about Alameda Ta'amu.

Shelton's not a freak by NFL standards. 2nd-round talent IMO. Late 2nd.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Shelton's a freak...DL that big aren't supposed to be able to move like he does.

That's what they said about Alameda Ta'amu.

Shelton's not a freak by NFL standards. 2nd-round talent IMO. Late 2nd.

He compares to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork and is regarded as one of the safest picks in the draft....if he ends up close to one of those two that would be a solid pick at 15..... compared to who else might be there at 15.

Alameda Ta'amu was also drafted in the 4th round for a reason

WEAKNESSES Ta'amu is a slow-mover who struggles to rush the passer and chase down ball carriers. He lacks pass-rush moves and doesn't use his feet or hands to get off blocks

Shelton is not a slow-mover for his size and he has shown that he can be a very good pass rusher and can chase down ball carriers....I don't really see a comparison other than their size and that they both went to Washington

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He compares to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork and is regarded as one of the safest picks in the draft....if he ends up close to one of those two that would be a solid pick at 15..... compared to who else might be there at 15.

Alameda Ta'amu was also drafted in the 4th round for a reason

WEAKNESSES Ta'amu is a slow-mover who struggles to rush the passer and chase down ball carriers. He lacks pass-rush moves and doesn't use his feet or hands to get off blocks

Shelton is not a slow-mover for his size and he has shown that he can be a very good pass rusher and can chase down ball carriers....I don't really see a comparison other than their size and that they both went to Washington

I thought the Ngata comparison died at the combine. Ngata is a freak athlete for his size. Shelton doesn't move close to as well as Ngata and doesn't have the length to play DE like Ngata. I'd be happy with him at 15, but I don't know if he's a top 10 prospect (although Gregory's pot issues may help him go top 10).

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KaeptinKrunch:

Hmm? I know I've watched all of those videos multiple times. I don't think he's an elite player I really don't. He's not the passrusher people make him out to be IMO.

So you've watched the draft breakdown videos? No man his size should be able to run sideline to sideline like he does. He eats up multiple blockers and you can't leave him one on one. He would help everyone of our pass rushers and help stuff the run.

Exactly, this dude for as big as he is runs down screen passes lol. Sorry I just don't see him as being overhyped, that's such the easiest thing to say about a prospect. I mean people say things to down play him but he played a very solid game against one of thee best O-lines in college football in Stanford. That game was enough for me right there to think he would be a top 10 pick. If this kid is there at 15 please do not hold back Baalke.

Ya i just realized all of those games on draftbreakdown were from 2013. So I guess it's a little unfair to judge since I haven't seen much tape from his senior year. My point I guess was in watching him compared to the other elite guys in this draft like Williams, scherff, white... I don't think he's in that group yet in mocks most have him going to the bears at 7 which is pretty high. The other DT/DE prospects, Brown, Goldman, Davis. Cooper, Phillips. It seems like those guys would be at better value for us if we traded down and most would add more value in pass rush. I get it now though with Willis and Borland gone and bowman coming off injury.. Our stout run defense is not as certain as in years past and Shelton would certainly help us there. Idk just don't think he's as great as everyone says but again haven't seen much senior tape.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
That's what they said about Alameda Ta'amu.

Shelton's not a freak by NFL standards. 2nd-round talent IMO. Late 2nd.

lol, no.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He compares to Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork and is regarded as one of the safest picks in the draft....if he ends up close to one of those two that would be a solid pick at 15..... compared to who else might be there at 15.

Alameda Ta'amu was also drafted in the 4th round for a reason

WEAKNESSES Ta'amu is a slow-mover who struggles to rush the passer and chase down ball carriers. He lacks pass-rush moves and doesn't use his feet or hands to get off blocks

Shelton is not a slow-mover for his size and he has shown that he can be a very good pass rusher and can chase down ball carriers....I don't really see a comparison other than their size and that they both went to Washington

I thought the Ngata comparison died at the combine. Ngata is a freak athlete for his size. Shelton doesn't move close to as well as Ngata and doesn't have the length to play DE like Ngata. I'd be happy with him at 15, but I don't know if he's a top 10 prospect (although Gregory's pot issues may help him go top 10).

The Ngata comparison was based on what he does on the field, their combine numbers aren't the same but I prefer game play to the combine

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
I thought the Ngata comparison died at the combine.

It did, but there are still a few people out there that are clinging to the idea that he can be that kind of player.

He is nowhere near the athlete that Ngata was. Shelton is more that likely a 2 down player in the NFL with marginal upside.