Important Combine Metric - The "flying 20" | Page 2

RollinWith21n52 · 2014-02-19T12:39:44-08:00

This is a metric that the 49ers study (per Paraag Marathe), and value over the 40 yard dash. It measures the time of the last 20 yards in a 40 yard dash, and according to the niners, is the metric that really measures separation speed. Jerry Rice, while running a sub-par 40, actually had one of the fastest recorded flying 20s. Just some combine drill facts, and perhaps some insight into who will impress the niners in the next few days.

Feb 20, 2014 at 1:00 AM

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RollinWith21n52
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Originally posted by gentry200meters:
I keep a draft spreadsheet every year where I run a lot of metrics. The "Flying 20" is one I keep up. However, I personally think there's a similar metric that is more effective. It's called "Long Speed".....the ability to take the top off the defense. I have the combine / pro day metrics for 1,480 WRs dating back to 1999. Comparing the top 10 performers in my database:

Flying 20 (40 Time - 20 Yard Split)

1 A.J. Love
2 Eron Riley
3 Reggie Dunn
4 Trindon Holliday
5 Isaiah Jackson
6 Perry Baker
7 Louis Murphy
8 Darius Heyward-Bey
9 Ben Obamanu
10 D'Andre Goodwin

Long Speed (10 Yard Split - 40 Time) + 3

1 Reggie Dunn
2 Trindon Holliday
3 Marqise Goodwin
4 Travis Benjamin
5 Raymond Radway
6 Jerome Mathis
7 Jacoby Ford
8Travis Harvey
9 Taveon Rogers
10 Edmund Gates

I'll be running my yearly spreadsheet with a lot of metrics for the draft as well as a lot of other stuff.....Video Cutups, Scouting Reports, Full Games, etc....

The presentation isn't that good, but I think I've accumulated some decent info in one location. Here is the link....a Google Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AotIVo4gpWF8dFZBTDhmM01WeU9CMzliOEZMNVByS1E&output=html

The 2013 version is linked there as well if you want to go back and look at past seasons.

This is unbelievable! Thanks for sharing. Do you mind if I play with the numbers?

Feb 20, 2014 at 5:25 AM

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gentry200meters
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
This is unbelievable! Thanks for sharing. Do you mind if I play with the numbers?

Not at all. As far as the spreadsheet is concerned, the published version is slow loading but it's really the only option I have. Google just released a new version, and I'm going to see how it works in the next few days. It's supposed to be much improved, but I'm going to work it to test the functionality. If all goes well, I'll transfer over. The actual spreadsheet is much more user friendly in the non-published version.

Feb 20, 2014 at 7:02 AM

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Typically when coaches use the term "separation" in football, it means their ability to separate from coverage during their route. I've hardly, if ever heard separation being used to reference how fast a player can pull away from defenders once he has the ball in his hands.

Feb 23, 2014 at 4:18 PM

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Since07
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So now that the WRs 40s are out can we get some flying 20 stats?

Feb 23, 2014 at 4:22 PM

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Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by Since07:
So now that the WRs 40s are out can we get some flying 20 stats?

I know that Bruce Ellington was absolutely flying on the back end of his 40, his 10 yard split was one of the slowest, especially for a smaller receiver, so he was really booking it after that point.

Feb 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM

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^Thanx

Feb 26, 2014 at 3:02 PM

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Here is another artice posted last year about a site Draftmetrics and some cool stuff about flying 20 for each position

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Adding-Perspective-to-NFL-Combine-Results-Part-2.html

Feb 26, 2014 at 6:02 PM

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highway49
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This rating system has alot of merit, but so does analyzing game tape and seeing "true game speed"

[ Edited by highway49 on Feb 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM ]