Grade the 49ers 2010 Draft [3 years later]

Originally posted by jreff22:
An A is the best you can get without using the A+ system which will make things more complicated and in reality is an honor based system which shouldn't apply after 3 years. The lowest a professor has ever graded an A- for me would be an 89 (I think and thats a final grade). Granted not perfection but its close. A 95 isn't perfect but its the highest echelon for instance in a letter system (minimum for an A). When I made this system I dropped the 100% limit to a 90% making it easier to get an A, and where the cutoff usually is.

Your grading system is yours. I am not telling or asking you to change either your system or your grade for the draft.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Let me ask, if a 4.0 is not perfect what it? Straight A's is the best anybody can normally acquire. I wouldn't consider my 3.4 GPA perfect, I would consider a 4.0 perfect. And near perfection would be an A-. If posters are going to use a +/- system an A- would be close to perfect but not the best. But people arent adding up the actual numerical value of an A- or a C+ for instnace, they are eyeballing thier grades and throwing out a final grade....thats not accurate.

Perfection means without errors or flaws. A student can get answers wrong, make errors, and have flaws in his work and get an A. So, having straight As does not mean perfection. I had a 4.0 for one semester. I did not get 100% on all of the tests. My work had errors. I made mistakes. I was not perfect.

This is not complicated. Like I said before, be real. Name me one school system in the US that requires perfection for a student to get an A.

I will bet you a dime on a dollar that University of North Florida does not require perfection to get an A. If you got a A- , which according to you is near perfection, with a grade of 89%, it seems pretty clear the UNF does not require perfection to get an A.

The idea that A represents perfection is, as I said before, a flat-out idiotic idea. I am not saying you are an idiot, only that the idea you are pushing is idiotic.

Originally posted by jreff22:

I gave the draft a 3.4 on a scale of 4. A 3.4 in my experience would, depending on the teacher. range from a B+ to A.

For me that would be a B+/A-

Yes, but I am not you, or you are not me.

I gave a draft a 3.4 on a scale of 4 and gave it an overall grade of a A based on my experience and my view of the overall draft.

You disagree with me. I disagree with you. We do not agree. Big deal.

But, let's be clear. I do not think the draft was perfect. The A grade that I gave represents excellence, not perfection.

This perfection that you speak of may be part of your grading system, but it is not part of mine.
I have never attended an educational institution that had in its grading system a standard of perfection or near perfection.

Truth be told, I do not think you have attended any educational institution where perfection was required to get a A.

Now, if you want to base your grades of Baalke's draft on grading scale that is not standard, that is your choice.

But, do ask me to do the same.




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Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Its called an A-, I have never taken a test in HS or college that gives a full A at 90%.

I've taken classes/tests where you could get an A at 50%. You must've gone to some silly schools

Pretty well regarded Private HS and currently at UNF in two separate degree programs....if you have teachers that give you an A for getting half the questions right....dont know what to say. May I ask what school that was and what kind of class as well?

See, now it makes sense. You're a liberal arts/History guy. I studied chemical engineering - the class was Thermodynamics. So there you have it.

For the work an engineer does wouldn't getting half wrong be a major real world problem when applying your skills to a project? If your math is wrong half the time I would imagine that would make for some disastrous situations...

Originally posted by buck:

Perfection means without errors or flaws. A student can get answers wrong, make errors, and have flaws in his work and get an A. So, having straight As does not mean perfection. I had a 4.0 for one semester. I did not get 100% on all of the tests. My work had errors. I made mistakes. I was not perfect.

This is not complicated. Like I said before, be real. Name me one school system in the US that requires perfection for a student to get an A.

I will bet you a dime on a dollar that University of North Florida does not require perfection to get an A. If you got a A- , which according to you is near perfection, with a grade of 89%, it seems pretty clear the UNF does not require perfection to get an A.

The idea that A represents perfection is, as I said before, a flat-out idiotic idea. I am not saying you are an idiot, only that the idea you are pushing is idiotic.


Yes, but I am not you, or you are not me.

I gave a draft a 3.4 on a scale of 4 and gave it an overall grade of a A based on my experience and my view of the overall draft.

You disagree with me. I disagree with you. We do not agree. Big deal.

But, let's be clear. I do not think the draft was perfect. The A grade that I gave represents excellence, not perfection.

This perfection that you speak of may be part of your grading system, but it is not part of mine.
I have never attended an educational institution that had in its grading system a standard of perfection or near perfection.

Truth be told, I do not think you have attended any educational institution where perfection was required to get a A.

Now, if you want to base your grades of Baalke's draft on grading scale that is not standard, that is your choice

Obviously there is some wiggle room between a 95 and a 100 but an A means you maxed out in the letter system. Maybe perfection was the wrong word to use but the idea that getting an A means you did "perfect" isn't hard to grasp. Excellent like you said is probably the better word.

I still think you are giving too much to this draft when better results can be had. You run the risk of over-inflating multiple classes on a repeating basis.

With some more use of Google I give you these to look over....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-top-five-draft-classes-san-francisco-152300441--nfl.html
http://sfo.scout.com/2/634437.html

Look at the best that this team has done in a grand scheme. Does this class deserve to be held to the standard of an A in this historical context?

Originally posted by jreff22:
Obviously there is some wiggle room between a 95 and a 100 but an A means you maxed out in the letter system. Maybe perfection was the wrong word to use but the idea that getting an A means you did "perfect" isn't hard to grasp. Excellent like you said is probably the better word.

I would counter by stating that getting an A means you did excellent work, and that should not be hard to grasp.

In fact, the use of perfection and near perfection within a grading system is hard to grasp.

What you continue to ignore is that perfection and near perfection are not used within standard grading systems in the the US.

Th University of North Florida, the university you attend, does equate an A with perfection. The UC-Davis whose letters grades and descriptors I listed in a prior post does not equate an A with perfection. I attended UC-Berkeley, which also does not equate a A with perfection.

This perfection that you reference is more a figment of your imagination, than it a standard used by educational institutions or educators.

Excellence is without doubt, not probably, a better word, precisely because it is actually used by schools across the country as the standard descriptor for an A. In other words, excellence actually corresponds to real world grading; perfection does not. Yes, perfection is the wrong word to use.

Originally posted by jreff22:

I still think you are giving too much to this draft when better results can be had. You run the risk of over-inflating multiple classes on a repeating basis.

With some more use of Google I give you these to look over....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-top-five-draft-classes-san-francisco-152300441--nfl.html
http://sfo.scout.com/2/634437.html

Look at the best that this team has done in a grand scheme. Does this class deserve to be held to the standard of an A in this historical context?

I am willing to talk about impact of grading in a broader historical or social context.

I am an educator. A major aspect of my work is teaching the students how to prepare for the verbal and analytical writing sections of the GRE and the GMAT. By the way, I live and work in Chile.

Before a student can enter these classes, I have to evaluate his or her English skills. If the standards that I set are too stringent, the students cannot take our classes to prepare for the GMAT or the GRE. In the real world, not being allowed to take those classes can seriously damage those students chances of advancing in their professions.

In my professional word, grading and standards of grading have serious consequences.

Another aspect of my work has been training English teachers throughout Chile on how to administer and to evaluate the oral component of the Michigan Exam for a Certificate of Competence in English (ECCE) and Exam for a Certificate of Proficiency in English (ECPE).

Again, these exam results have serious real world consequences. If the grading is too stringent, if it is not realistic, at the end of the day it is not fair. If the scores received are too low, (not fair) the test taker might not get a job or a promotion, and could in the future lose a job.

In contrast, grades that we give to this or any draft, do not have any real world impact; any impact outside our rather fanciful world of draft analysis.

Assume the worse. I am one of those west coast homers that you mentioned earlier in the thread. The grade that I give this draft is completely out of whack.

What exactly is the real world risk entailed in giving Baalke and the 49ers a grade that is an anomaly in the historical context of NFL drafts?

If my draft grade is slightly higher than yours, does it make any real difference.

I will check out the links you provided.

edit: The NFL Scout article was written in 2007, It could not possibly include the 2010 draft. It might be interesting to see how the author graded this draft.

The other article was written by Grant Cohen. Grant Cohen, and his father Lowell, have had a conflictive and rather contentious relationship with Harbaugh.
Grant's father is a cantankerous, old man, but by no means stupid. Grant does seem much less intelligent than his father, and it is rather clear that he has a bone to pick with the 49ers, and Harbaugh in particular. Grant and Lowell Cohen are hardly objective observers.

But, I will acknowledge that Harbaugh in many ways treats the media as idiots and has been rather terse and dismissive of the elder Cohen. Harbaugh sows what he reaps.

Davis - soon to be pro bowler
Iupati - All-Pro
Mays - Bust
Bowman - All-Pro
Dixon - Great ST and average RB
Byham - Did nothing
Williams - solid slot WR, good returner
Adams - ST player, still in league

To me, thats a pretty good draft. Yes, Mays was a 2nd round bust, but not all players are going to turn into HOF's. However we already have two all-pro's potentially 3. Thats a great draft. A+

Three pro bowlers in one draft is outstanding.

This article has our 2010 draft class rated #1.

http://www.profootballrosters.com/2013/05/28/2010-nfl-draft-revisited-top-5-team-classes/

If we had the best draft of the year, it seems reasonable to think our draft grade should be an A.

Thanks yet again Buck. Three pro-bowl caliber players, two solid role players and three guys still in the league with other teams is one heck of a draft. Then when you consider they had four picks in the top three rounds and no picks in rounds four and five...even more impressive. Blowing a second round pick is not unusual in the draft, so that should not be held against the team--and Mays is still in the NFL. From the article:

Who is this Taylor Mays thou speaks of ???

How did a 6'3 230 lb beast who runs a 4.4 bust? Smh shows you that meeasurables only matter if you have the stuff first, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Ether:

How did a 6'3 230 lb beast who runs a 4.4 bust? Smh shows you that meeasurables only matter if you have the stuff first, not the other way around.

Pete Carroll cost him major money by convincing him to come back to USC, guy would have been a top 5 pick had he come out a year earlier

Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
Pete Carroll cost him major money by convincing him to come back to USC, guy would have been a top 5 pick had he come out a year earlier

If only...

With three starters who are considered to be in the upper echelon on their respected positions, and two solid contributors its a very good draft.
Pitty for the wasted Mays pick, but what do you want to do.

A because we got 3 Perennial Pro Bowlers in the first 4 picks

Excellent draft.

As far as picking a 2nd round bust - I agree he was but putting it into perspective look at al the 1st round busts every year.

How many 1st round busts were there in the 2010 draft - anyone know?