blm7754's Revised Mock (Rounds 1-4 w/ Trades)

U said realistic trades but seems unrealistic trades ....not a fan of hankins at all rather have Jesse Williams N Rogers h*ll no ...

Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
U said realistic trades but seems unrealistic trades ....not a fan of hankins at all rather have Jesse Williams N Rogers h*ll no ...

What about the trades is unrealistic? They are very reasonable to me and the other teams involved actually have a reason to trade with us.

What don't you like about Hankins? I've watched just about every youtube video there is on both Hankins and Williams. Hankins is far more disruptive on passing downs than Williams (both very good on run downs).

And I''l assume you're complaint with Rogers is his past off-the-field issues. Cause if you'd ever seen the dude play, you'd want him to be a 49er.

How is it realistic to give up #31 #93 #164 just to move up 7 picks yet we trade #34 #180 N get back #49 N #81 that doesn't seem crazy to u? ??? N Williams came frm a more pro style N ready team N yup doesn't want a head case that wants to fight instead of learn we don't need a Titus young 2.0...

I like your 3rd rd picks. I wouldnt be quite as happy with the first 3 though. Hankins is just so up and down. I would rather stand pat and select Jesse Williams. If I trade up it is going to be for Datrone Jones or Trufant. It isnt that I dont like Rogers or McDonald. I just think there are better picks in the 2nd and would want these guys a rd later. I also dont like that you neglect a pass rusher with all these picks. Find a way to get Jamie Collins in the 2nd and I would like this a lot more.

Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
How is it realistic to give up #31 #93 #164 just to move up 7 picks yet we trade #34 #180 N get back #49 N #81 that doesn't seem crazy to u? ??? N Williams came frm a more pro style N ready team N yup doesn't want a head case that wants to fight instead of learn we don't need a Titus young 2.0...

Ugh, see this: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

The definition of realistic on the draft forum.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I like your 3rd rd picks. I wouldnt be quite as happy with the first 3 though. Hankins is just so up and down. I would rather stand pat and select Jesse Williams. If I trade up it is going to be for Datrone Jones or Trufant. It isnt that I dont like Rogers or McDonald. I just think there are better picks in the 2nd and would want these guys a rd later. I also dont like that you neglect a pass rusher with all these picks. Find a way to get Jamie Collins in the 2nd and I would like this a lot more.

Do you mean an OLB? I don't see it as a need. A later round prospect perhaps. But I don't see how any OLB we could pick would even make our roster.

Now if you mean a pass rushing 3-4 DE, I'm not a huge fan of what is likely to be available. Datone Jones could go in the top 20 (if not, then he would be my pick in the 1st). Sheldon Richardson and Shariff Floyd will also be long gone. I like Tank Carradine, but I think he'd be too risky a prospect with his ACL injury and a position change (he's primarily a 4-3 DE).

I think our pass rush would be greatly improved with a better push up the middle. Hankins can do that. He can collapse the pocket and flush the QB. He may not generate the stats, but I'd trade up for him because I think he'd help our pass rush (more than Jesse Williams would).

N if u use tha link in that thread you'll see picks 31,93,164 =1077 N pick 24=952 loop sided N picks 34,180=785 N picks 49,81=904 loop sided

Originally posted by blm7754:
Ugh, see this: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

The definition of realistic on the draft forum.

I am not taking issue with the "realism" of your proposed trades, but note that the draft pick value chart was generated in 2007. Since the new collective bargaining agreement placed caps on rookie salaries, I think teams have tweaked pick values a bit. I haven't seen a revised pick value chart, but the volume of trades last year suggests that teams are applying a less rigid value on draft slots.

Originally posted by midrdan:

Originally posted by blm7754:

Ugh, see this: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/46059-draft-value-chart-calculator-see-bottom/

The definition of realistic on the draft forum.

I am not taking issue with the "realism" of your proposed trades, but note that the draft pick value chart was generated in 2007. Since the new collective bargaining agreement placed caps on rookie salaries, I think teams have tweaked pick values a bit. I haven't seen a revised pick value chart, but the volume of trades last year suggests that teams are applying a less rigid value on draft slots.

All this maybe true but we work with what we got right ..

Originally posted by blm7754:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I like your 3rd rd picks. I wouldnt be quite as happy with the first 3 though. Hankins is just so up and down. I would rather stand pat and select Jesse Williams. If I trade up it is going to be for Datrone Jones or Trufant. It isnt that I dont like Rogers or McDonald. I just think there are better picks in the 2nd and would want these guys a rd later. I also dont like that you neglect a pass rusher with all these picks. Find a way to get Jamie Collins in the 2nd and I would like this a lot more.

Do you mean an OLB? I don't see it as a need. A later round prospect perhaps. But I don't see how any OLB we could pick would even make our roster.

Now if you mean a pass rushing 3-4 DE, I'm not a huge fan of what is likely to be available. Datone Jones could go in the top 20 (if not, then he would be my pick in the 1st). Sheldon Richardson and Shariff Floyd will also be long gone. I like Tank Carradine, but I think he'd be too risky a prospect with his ACL injury and a position change (he's primarily a 4-3 DE).

I think our pass rush would be greatly improved with a better push up the middle. Hankins can do that. He can collapse the pocket and flush the QB. He may not generate the stats, but I'd trade up for him because I think he'd help our pass rush (more than Jesse Williams would).

Yes I mean an OLB. Collins would be a huge upgrade as a pass rusher over any LB we have as a pass rusher other than Aldon and certainly make the roster and have impact on passing downs. If Aldon goes down the Niners have crap for a pass rush.

Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
N if u use tha link in that thread you'll see picks 31,93,164 =1077 N pick 24=952 loop sided N picks 34,180=785 N picks 49,81=904 loop sided

I'm using the graph that Kolohe posted in that thread. Based on that, my trades are fair.

Perhaps it is outdated, but I'm not redoing the mock.... too much work. Maybe later.

Let's get back to discussing the players.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Yes I mean an OLB. Collins would be a huge upgrade as a pass rusher over any LB we have as a pass rusher other than Aldon and certainly make the roster and have impact on passing downs. If Aldon goes down the Niners have crap for a pass rush.

Personally, I think Brooks and Haralson are better pass rushers than they get credit for. Sure, their not on Aldon's level. But I can't think of any team that has the luxury of having multiple elite pass rushers.

I'd also like to see what Darius Fleming and Cam Johnson can do before investing a high draft pick in an OLB. Perhaps that need will rise to the top of the 2014 draft.

Originally posted by blm7754:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Yes I mean an OLB. Collins would be a huge upgrade as a pass rusher over any LB we have as a pass rusher other than Aldon and certainly make the roster and have impact on passing downs. If Aldon goes down the Niners have crap for a pass rush.

Personally, I think Brooks and Haralson are better pass rushers than they get credit for. Sure, their not on Aldon's level. But I can't think of any team that has the luxury of having multiple elite pass rushers.

I'd also like to see what Darius Fleming and Cam Johnson can do before investing a high draft pick in an OLB. Perhaps that need will rise to the top of the 2014 draft.

Haralson has never been a great pass rusher and Fleming and Johnson are later rd limited players. Our secondary turned to s**t when we couldnt put on a pass rush. Just seems pretty darn logical to me that getting pass rushing OLBS is critical to a 3-4 defense.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Haralson has never been a great pass rusher and Fleming and Johnson are later rd limited players. Our secondary turned to s**t when we couldnt put on a pass rush. Just seems pretty darn logical to me that getting pass rushing OLBS is critical to a 3-4 defense.

Yeah, I agree we need better pass rush. But our starting OLBs are pretty damn good. I don't see how we can improve that position much. Sure, we could have better depth.... but I don't like the idea of using anything higher than a 3rd rounder on a backup.

Looking at our personnel and how we looked in 2011 and early 2012 I think the key to our pass rush is getting pressure from our DE's. McDonald isn't much of a pass rusher. Justin is a monster when he's in top form. But both of those guys are undersized to be battling double teams all day... especially against big passing teams.

To me, it seems a disruptive interior DL that can rotate in with Justin and McDonald would be the key ingredient.