The Ryan Mallett Bandwagon

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I came away today completely unimpressed. Didn't hold his composure, showed poor body language, and threw the ball really awkwardly on the run. People say Manning is immobile, but he moves in the pocket, not well outside of it, but fantastically in the pocket. Manning is also a very special player from an intelligence and release standpoint, Mallet isn't in his league when it comes to either. I was also shocked with the lack of accuracy on some throws. Some throws were excellent, others didn't go to anyone. I've seen punts more accurate.

You must not have watched Peyton while he was in college. He was very awkward in the pocket (especially his footwork), threw an ugly (though accurate) pass 99% of the time and seemed to choke at all the wrong times. That said, his talent was undeniable.

Point being, don't conclude your evaluation of a college QB based on one game (especially considering he hadn't played a real game in over a month); "project" him. Factor in what he might be like with proper NFL coaching, increased time to study/practice and WRs who can actually catch the ball.

I did not watch Manning in college, but I see his chocking hasn't left him :). When I see Mallet I see bad pocket awareness, horrific accuracy on the move, very inconsistent accuracy when feet are planted, and maybe the worst feet in college football, and lack of composure. I also see a ridiculous arm, and an ability to connect on the deep ball, as well as convert 3rd and long. I don't like him. At all. Plus I've read a lot about character concerns from multiple sources. Just too much similarities to Leaf for my liking

Worst feet belongs to Cam Newton. A lot of these QBs except Luck have to work on their footwork and that's what they'll get in the NFL. Ryan Mallett's footwork isn't horrible for someone with heavy feet and long legs.

His accuracy when he plants his feet has been spot on this season, but you're right that it hits a wall when he's on the move. People talk about his character concerns but I haven't read anything that warrants any team to worry about his transition to the pros.

Agreed. What character issues? Has anyone a source? Or is it just one person claiming knowledge that has subsequently become the source for everyone's source? I am not saying it isn't possible, but where is this source?

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I came away today completely unimpressed. Didn't hold his composure, showed poor body language, and threw the ball really awkwardly on the run. People say Manning is immobile, but he moves in the pocket, not well outside of it, but fantastically in the pocket. Manning is also a very special player from an intelligence and release standpoint, Mallet isn't in his league when it comes to either. I was also shocked with the lack of accuracy on some throws. Some throws were excellent, others didn't go to anyone. I've seen punts more accurate.

You must not have watched Peyton while he was in college. He was very awkward in the pocket (especially his footwork), threw an ugly (though accurate) pass 99% of the time and seemed to choke at all the wrong times. That said, his talent was undeniable.

Point being, don't conclude your evaluation of a college QB based on one game (especially considering he hadn't played a real game in over a month); "project" him. Factor in what he might be like with proper NFL coaching, increased time to study/practice and WRs who can actually catch the ball.

I did not watch Manning in college, but I see his chocking hasn't left him :). When I see Mallet I see bad pocket awareness, horrific accuracy on the move, very inconsistent accuracy when feet are planted, and maybe the worst feet in college football, and lack of composure. I also see a ridiculous arm, and an ability to connect on the deep ball, as well as convert 3rd and long. I don't like him. At all. Plus I've read a lot about character concerns from multiple sources. Just too much similarities to Leaf for my liking

Worst feet belongs to Cam Newton. A lot of these QBs except Luck have to work on their footwork and that's what they'll get in the NFL. Ryan Mallett's footwork isn't horrible for someone with heavy feet and long legs.

His accuracy when he plants his feet has been spot on this season, but you're right that it hits a wall when he's on the move. People talk about his character concerns but I haven't read anything that warrants any team to worry about his transition to the pros.

Agreed. What character issues? Has anyone a source? Or is it just one person claiming knowledge that has subsequently become the source for everyone's source? I am not saying it isn't possible, but where is this source?

I haven't seen those sources either

Where are all these articles?

Yup after seeing last night big college bowl game with Arkansas and quarterback Ryan Mallet i am wondering why is everyone so high on this guy for ? I didn't see anything special from him last night and he was off the mark on more than one occasion last night.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by SVcabron1980:
To the draft experts out there, how much can Mallet improve his footwork and how long would it take?

Sorry to be presumptuous for answering this question, but somebody has to. Footwork to avoid traffic, avoid a rush, sidestepping defenders, is a really tough thing to improve. Footwork in releasing the ball is something that can be improved.

I see this as more natural ability versus learned skills. Mallett simply does not have much "escapability", and this is an issue. As stated before, QB's don't need to be fast, but need the ability to move smoothly in the pocket. Big Ben and Peyton have that ability. Mallett, in my opinion, does not, and this is going to be a gigantic issue in the NFL.

In fact, I've gone on record already saying that I believe Mallett will be broken down physically well before the normal time frame for a QB due to his inability to avoid hits.

Love the arm, but the footwork....ARGH.

Samething with Taylor Mays last year. What was missing can't be coached up it's just instincts. Samething with Mallet. He has the Joe Flacco complex. That's why Baltimore offense with more weapons didn't take off. It's b/c once Flacco gets a hint of pressure he can't get out of the way and complete a pass.

Can you or anybody name a guy who got to the NFL and his escapabillity to shift in the pocket and make accurate throws improved? Like you said I'm not talking bout roll out's or his footwork on passes.

To be honest though, Mallett isn't a complete boob when it comes to moving in the pocket and making accurate throws. Sure, he's not nearly as comfortable (most QBs aren't), but if you look at him throughout the season (as opposed to a bowl game after a month off), you'll see that he does show decent instincts/accuracy when having to move in the pocket and throw on the move. That's definitely not his strength (he's more of a pocket passer), but he's not a pile of rocks either.

I agree and I don't think he's a pile of rocks but it just bothers me. I like every other aspect of his game, but his one flaw is a serious problem in today's NFL where he's gonna feel that pressure a lot more.

I haven't heard one character issue about this guy.

Originally posted by Pancho559:
Yup after seeing last night big college bowl game with Arkansas and quarterback Ryan Mallet i am wondering why is everyone so high on this guy for ? I didn't see anything special from him last night and he was off the mark on more than one occasion last night.

I saw maybe 3 or 4 passes that were off the mark and that was when he was chased out of the pocket or trying to get away from a defender.

His receivers also dropped 6 total passes, with 1 that could've been a TD, and the others possibly being big plays.

He played well overall last night, so I don't know what you were watching.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I came away today completely unimpressed. Didn't hold his composure, showed poor body language, and threw the ball really awkwardly on the run. People say Manning is immobile, but he moves in the pocket, not well outside of it, but fantastically in the pocket. Manning is also a very special player from an intelligence and release standpoint, Mallet isn't in his league when it comes to either. I was also shocked with the lack of accuracy on some throws. Some throws were excellent, others didn't go to anyone. I've seen punts more accurate.

You must not have watched Peyton while he was in college. He was very awkward in the pocket (especially his footwork), threw an ugly (though accurate) pass 99% of the time and seemed to choke at all the wrong times. That said, his talent was undeniable.

Point being, don't conclude your evaluation of a college QB based on one game (especially considering he hadn't played a real game in over a month); "project" him. Factor in what he might be like with proper NFL coaching, increased time to study/practice and WRs who can actually catch the ball.

I did not watch Manning in college, but I see his chocking hasn't left him :). When I see Mallet I see bad pocket awareness, horrific accuracy on the move, very inconsistent accuracy when feet are planted, and maybe the worst feet in college football, and lack of composure. I also see a ridiculous arm, and an ability to connect on the deep ball, as well as convert 3rd and long. I don't like him. At all. Plus I've read a lot about character concerns from multiple sources. Just too much similarities to Leaf for my liking

Worst feet belongs to Cam Newton. A lot of these QBs except Luck have to work on their footwork and that's what they'll get in the NFL. Ryan Mallett's footwork isn't horrible for someone with heavy feet and long legs.

His accuracy when he plants his feet has been spot on this season, but you're right that it hits a wall when he's on the move. People talk about his character concerns but I haven't read anything that warrants any team to worry about his transition to the pros.

Agreed. What character issues? Has anyone a source? Or is it just one person claiming knowledge that has subsequently become the source for everyone's source? I am not saying it isn't possible, but where is this source?

I haven't seen those sources either

Where are all these articles?

I haven't seen anything that I would consider reliable, but follow this link and read the last few sentences of the third paragraph.

I've seen similar things written on other sites, where somebody doing a hatchet job hints they have some kind of inside knowledge but refuse to discuss specifics to prevent "rumors" from spreading. Without a hint of irony, no less.

I'm waiting to see if anything specific comes out. Its impossible to judge until that happens (assuming it even does).

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Pancho559:
Yup after seeing last night big college bowl game with Arkansas and quarterback Ryan Mallet i am wondering why is everyone so high on this guy for ? I didn't see anything special from him last night and he was off the mark on more than one occasion last night.

I saw maybe 3 or 4 passes that were off the mark and that was when he was chased out of the pocket or trying to get away from a defender.

His receivers also dropped 6 total passes, with 1 that could've been a TD, and the others possibly being big plays.

He played well overall last night, so I don't know what you were watching.

When Mallett has time he can throw the ball with zip and accuracy. LOL at saying he was off the mark on more than one occasion. That can even be said for Andrew Luck the other night in the first half. Not many QBs play an enitre game on a huge stage and put every ball where it needs to be on every throw.

The bigger question is not his accuracy or his arm. Its his feet and that does worry me.

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I came away today completely unimpressed. Didn't hold his composure, showed poor body language, and threw the ball really awkwardly on the run. People say Manning is immobile, but he moves in the pocket, not well outside of it, but fantastically in the pocket. Manning is also a very special player from an intelligence and release standpoint, Mallet isn't in his league when it comes to either. I was also shocked with the lack of accuracy on some throws. Some throws were excellent, others didn't go to anyone. I've seen punts more accurate.

You must not have watched Peyton while he was in college. He was very awkward in the pocket (especially his footwork), threw an ugly (though accurate) pass 99% of the time and seemed to choke at all the wrong times. That said, his talent was undeniable.

Point being, don't conclude your evaluation of a college QB based on one game (especially considering he hadn't played a real game in over a month); "project" him. Factor in what he might be like with proper NFL coaching, increased time to study/practice and WRs who can actually catch the ball.

I did not watch Manning in college, but I see his chocking hasn't left him :). When I see Mallet I see bad pocket awareness, horrific accuracy on the move, very inconsistent accuracy when feet are planted, and maybe the worst feet in college football, and lack of composure. I also see a ridiculous arm, and an ability to connect on the deep ball, as well as convert 3rd and long. I don't like him. At all. Plus I've read a lot about character concerns from multiple sources. Just too much similarities to Leaf for my liking

Worst feet belongs to Cam Newton. A lot of these QBs except Luck have to work on their footwork and that's what they'll get in the NFL. Ryan Mallett's footwork isn't horrible for someone with heavy feet and long legs.

His accuracy when he plants his feet has been spot on this season, but you're right that it hits a wall when he's on the move. People talk about his character concerns but I haven't read anything that warrants any team to worry about his transition to the pros.

Agreed. What character issues? Has anyone a source? Or is it just one person claiming knowledge that has subsequently become the source for everyone's source? I am not saying it isn't possible, but where is this source?

I haven't seen those sources either

Where are all these articles?

I haven't seen anything that I would consider reliable, but follow this link and read the last few sentences of the third paragraph.

I've seen similar things written on other sites, where somebody doing a hatchet job hints they have some kind of inside knowledge but refuse to discuss specifics to prevent "rumors" from spreading. Without a hint of irony, no less.

I'm waiting to see if anything specific comes out. Its impossible to judge until that happens (assuming it even does).

Thanks for the link. I remember reading that before. It was posted back in September and since then, I haven't heard anything negative about Mallett that deserves to categorized as "serious off the field issues".

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Pancho559:
Yup after seeing last night big college bowl game with Arkansas and quarterback Ryan Mallet i am wondering why is everyone so high on this guy for ? I didn't see anything special from him last night and he was off the mark on more than one occasion last night.

I saw maybe 3 or 4 passes that were off the mark and that was when he was chased out of the pocket or trying to get away from a defender.

His receivers also dropped 6 total passes, with 1 that could've been a TD, and the others possibly being big plays.

He played well overall last night, so I don't know what you were watching.

When Mallett has time he can throw the ball with zip and accuracy. LOL at saying he was off the mark on more than one occasion. That can even be said for Andrew Luck the other night in the first half. Not many QBs play an enitre game on a huge stage and put every ball where it needs to be on every throw.

The bigger question is not his accuracy or his arm. Its his feet and that does worry me.

I like the guy, but I don't think he'd be a good fit for this team. I just don't think our o-line would give him enough time to throw the ball. But hey, I guess anything can happen and new coaches may know how to get the most out of our line.

Mallett ended the game with 277 yards, two touchdowns and that one interception. Considering how many times Arkansas receivers dropped crucial passes, the Sugar Bowl could've had a very different results. Time after time, Mallett hit receivers square in the hands, right in the numbers, only to see the ball hit the turf. It seemed like every receiver dropped at least one, something the Razorbacks are surely kicking themselves over this morning.

If his Recievers I counted 6 dropped passes and one for a sure TD would of help him out, they would've won the game. Those fade routes where perfectly thrown, some roll outs to his right where on the mark. Yes he had some bad throws, but a lot more where on the money and nice touch. I'd take him if he's there at #7 A Smith Sucks!! can't even make a sideline throw.

Originally posted by Pintor63:
Mallett ended the game with 277 yards, two touchdowns and that one interception. Considering how many times Arkansas receivers dropped crucial passes, the Sugar Bowl could've had a very different results. Time after time, Mallett hit receivers square in the hands, right in the numbers, only to see the ball hit the turf. It seemed like every receiver dropped at least one, something the Razorbacks are surely kicking themselves over this morning.

If his Recievers I counted 6 dropped passes and one for a sure TD would of help him out, they would've won the game. Those fade routes where perfectly thrown, some roll outs to his right where on the mark. Yes he had some bad throws, but a lot more where on the money and nice touch. I'd take him if he's there at #7 A Smith Sucks!! can't even make a sideline throw.

MallettEXCUSES.

What I learned over the years from reading the WZ is when a QB hits a WR / TE / RB right in the hands or between the #'s and it is dropped it is because of "ball placement" and "bad Quarterbacking."




[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Jan 5, 2011 at 14:27:52 ]

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Pancho559:
Yup after seeing last night big college bowl game with Arkansas and quarterback Ryan Mallet i am wondering why is everyone so high on this guy for ? I didn't see anything special from him last night and he was off the mark on more than one occasion last night.

I saw maybe 3 or 4 passes that were off the mark and that was when he was chased out of the pocket or trying to get away from a defender.

His receivers also dropped 6 total passes, with 1 that could've been a TD, and the others possibly being big plays.

He played well overall last night, so I don't know what you were watching.

When Mallett has time he can throw the ball with zip and accuracy. LOL at saying he was off the mark on more than one occasion. That can even be said for Andrew Luck the other night in the first half. Not many QBs play an enitre game on a huge stage and put every ball where it needs to be on every throw.

The bigger question is not his accuracy or his arm. Its his feet and that does worry me.

I like the guy, but I don't think he'd be a good fit for this team. I just don't think our o-line would give him enough time to throw the ball. But hey, I guess anything can happen and new coaches may know how to get the most out of our line.

amen.

I felt bad for him the other night.... So many dropped balls that could have changed the game......

The thing I didn't like about Mallett is he is not very accurate as a passer. A few of his passes were thrown high and low. All though the receivers caught some of his high passes it doesn't change the fact that some of them were high.

^find me a QB with a perfect completion rate? And If that wasn't NFL type pressure he was getting from Ohio State I don't know what is! The young OLineman was getting destroyed by Heyward. Not to mention the amount of dropped passes from his receivers specifically the first play of the game for a 70 yard catch and run and a possible momentum changer. As horrible as the D played in the 2nd QTR and all the lucky things that rolled Ohio ST. way, Mallet managed to gather the team and rally back to almost win the game. So all the false report or rumors are squashed! I seen how his team mates respond to him. What he needs to learn is try not to carry the team on his shoulder! It causes him to make mistakes by pushing the issue. He is very high strung and competative. I think through experience and good coaching his talent will blossom and translate in the NFL.