NO, NO, NO, FORGET GIVING UP MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS AND KEY PLAYERS!

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Martyjac:
It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in the future. We tried speculation with Trey Lance and gave up a ton of picks. We did the same thing when we brought in O.J. Simpson and Jim Plunkett and others. Let's keep our draft picks and stop playing the devils advocate. Watt and Garrett surely would upgrade our defense, but to give up maybe 2 starters and numerous high draft picks I'm complertely against.

1994 team brought in a bunch of mercenaries

That was the first year of the cap, when nothing was binding as anything could just be pushed into future years. Haven't won a SB in any of those years since.

people.....really....overvalue the potential of draft picks.....

the real value Is the cost control

I still think the safest money in the NFL is a blue chip pas rusher. They do not need anything to do their job. QBs need WRs/Oline/Run game, CBs need pass rush, WRs need QBs..etc...etc....etc.... Pass rushers are the least dependent on the rest of the team.... very safe place to spending big money.

I would easily pick up a HOF pass rusher in his prime for a few draft picks, like Myles Garett. Especially knowing 30 or so million is going to stick on some other team's salary cap.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
people.....really....overvalue the potential of draft picks.....

the real value Is the cost control

I still think the safest money in the NFL is a blue chip pas rusher. They do not need anything to do their job. QBs need WRs/Oline/Run game, CBs need pass rush, WRs need QBs..etc...etc....etc.... Pass rushers are the least dependent on the rest of the team.... very safe place to spending big money.

I would easily pick up a HOF pass rusher in his prime for a few draft picks, like Myles Garett. Especially knowing 30 or so million is going to stick on some other team's salary cap.

Gonna have to wait till June if anyone wants Garrett, if they trade him before that it's $35 mil in dead money bringing their total to $54 mil in dead cap with -$16 mil in cap savings. After June it's only a $21 mil in dead money with a $4.9 mil in savings. That's what I read, but maybe AB can give us more insight to his numbers?

If there was a "for sure thing" in drafting, we would have Patrick Mahomes and some other guys in the NFL that are the best players at their positions. But, there is no such thing. Now, even the Niners have some free agent signings that are working out well. And no one is complaining about the draft capital or even these players current contracts. I say bite the bullet and get 'er done

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Originally posted by Dshearn:
people.....really....overvalue the potential of draft picks.....

the real value Is the cost control

I still think the safest money in the NFL is a blue chip pas rusher. They do not need anything to do their job. QBs need WRs/Oline/Run game, CBs need pass rush, WRs need QBs..etc...etc....etc.... Pass rushers are the least dependent on the rest of the team.... very safe place to spending big money.

I would easily pick up a HOF pass rusher in his prime for a few draft picks, like Myles Garett. Especially knowing 30 or so million is going to stick on some other team's salary cap.

This.

Statistically speaking a 1st rd pick has a 19% chance of becoming a pro bowl caliber player. It's like asking someone if they want $100 now or do you want two 1 and 4 chances of winning $100. You may win $100 or you may win $3.50

The NFL over values draft picks. If the salary cap affords you to make a move i think you should do it.

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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
people.....really....overvalue the potential of draft picks.....

the real value Is the cost control

I still think the safest money in the NFL is a blue chip pas rusher. They do not need anything to do their job. QBs need WRs/Oline/Run game, CBs need pass rush, WRs need QBs..etc...etc....etc.... Pass rushers are the least dependent on the rest of the team.... very safe place to spending big money.

I would easily pick up a HOF pass rusher in his prime for a few draft picks, like Myles Garett. Especially knowing 30 or so million is going to stick on some other team's salary cap.

Gonna have to wait till June if anyone wants Garrett, if they trade him before that it's $35 mil in dead money bringing their total to $54 mil in dead cap with -$16 mil in cap savings. After June it's only a $21 mil in dead money with a $4.9 mil in savings. That's what I read, but maybe AB can give us more insight to his numbers?

I dunno....I am no cap expert .....but I already read that I was wrong in the money I thought was going to stick....Clevland actually tied some of that "guaranteed" money to a roster bonus...and prorates it for years into the future....so it falls on the new team for 2026 and depending on trade date 2025 could hit the new team too.

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The new team would take on the exact same contract, with $1.255 million is base salary and nearly $18.5 million is paid out in a roster bonus in March. That would make his cap hit less than $5 million for the 2025 season on the new team.

In 2026, it's set up nearly identically with $1.3 million in base salary and $19 million in roster bonus which would spread out over five years. His cap hit would slightly more than double from $5 million-ish to $11 million-ish thanks to the 2025 proration added onto the 2026 number.

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The same article put early March as really time sensitive...if they do not trade him by then... Cleveland is going to pay that 18.5 for the next team, if he goes before that point...the new team is paying him that 18.5 over the next 5 years or something like that. In a nutshell that 36m would be paid over the next 5 years.

As it stands right now...for the next 2 years the money is close to a wash. 11th pick in last years draft was 20m over 4 years....the down side I am sure...is the strong possibility he wants a new contract...probably a Bosa like contract...

There might be some wiggle room, if they did a new contract...to line up the money for a future time when someone big comes off the books (Trent/deebo/somebody)...but the dude is 29, will be 30 in Dec...probably do not want Bosa money to start kicking in when he is 33 and on the down slope of his career.

So yeah...would be a great get....but they need to be pragmatic

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!

Good news everybody

Originally posted by fropwns:

Originally posted by Martyjac:
It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in the future. We tried speculation with Trey Lance and gave up a ton of picks. We did the same thing when we brought in O.J. Simpson and Jim Plunkett and others. Let's keep our draft picks and stop playing the devils advocate. Watt and Garrett surely would upgrade our defense, but to give up maybe 2 starters and numerous high draft picks I'm complertely against.

1994 team brought in a bunch of mercenaries

That was through free agency before there was a salary cap. Simpson and Plunkett were both damaged goods and were brought in when the 49ers were possibly as bad as they've ever been. They were trying to get more fans in the stands by bringing in name talent, both from the Bay Area.

Just get Maxx Crosby and Garrett, then pickup Joey Bosa and Mack. Don't need anyone to play safety or CB because the QB would be sacked before the WR could get past the linebackers

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That was through free agency before there was a salary cap. Simpson and Plunkett were both damaged goods and were brought in when the 49ers were possibly as bad as they've ever been. They were trying to get more fans in the stands by bringing in name talent, both from the Bay Area.

I remember that and it didn't work out so well. Got Monty fired and GM who I can't remember his name. It did get Walsh hired so……..

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!

Yeah who wants a HOF pass rusher when you can get the next Kinlaw!!

LOL

I would trade #11, the 2026 1st rounder and Drake Jackson for Garrett.

no sure thing in drafting, no sure thing in FA/trade either. browns moved on watson and that blew up on em. look at jets landing aaron rodgers, how did that go? well we have saleh back, must not have gone well. myles, is expensive on the cap, costs draft capital, he's older and had feet issues. my priority if i am lynch we need to get a young talented core group of guys. rams somehow got past us they have a lot of talented young guys.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no sure thing in drafting, no sure thing in FA/trade either. browns moved on watson and that blew up on em. look at jets landing aaron rodgers, how did that go? well we have saleh back, must not have gone well. myles, is expensive on the cap, costs draft capital, he's older and had feet issues. my priority if i am lynch we need to get a young talented core group of guys. rams somehow got past us they have a lot of talented young guys.

Rams aint s**t.. they could barely handle our scrubs.. should have swept them if Purdy had his head on right

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no sure thing in drafting, no sure thing in FA/trade either. browns moved on watson and that blew up on em. look at jets landing aaron rodgers, how did that go? well we have saleh back, must not have gone well. myles, is expensive on the cap, costs draft capital, he's older and had feet issues. my priority if i am lynch we need to get a young talented core group of guys. rams somehow got past us they have a lot of talented young guys.

Rams aint s**t.. they could barely handle our scrubs.. should have swept them if Purdy had his head on right

if we go 'all in', i don't see it working. better to build it up for sustained success imo.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
people.....really....overvalue the potential of draft picks.....

the real value Is the cost control

I still think the safest money in the NFL is a blue chip pas rusher. They do not need anything to do their job. QBs need WRs/Oline/Run game, CBs need pass rush, WRs need QBs..etc...etc....etc.... Pass rushers are the least dependent on the rest of the team.... very safe place to spending big money.

I would easily pick up a HOF pass rusher in his prime for a few draft picks, like Myles Garett. Especially knowing 30 or so million is going to stick on some other team's salary cap.

Gonna have to wait till June if anyone wants Garrett, if they trade him before that it's $35 mil in dead money bringing their total to $54 mil in dead cap with -$16 mil in cap savings. After June it's only a $21 mil in dead money with a $4.9 mil in savings. That's what I read, but maybe AB can give us more insight to his numbers?

Can you lock up a trade before June and make it official on June? Ie. traded on draft day