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NO, NO, NO, FORGET GIVING UP MULTIPLE DRAFT PICKS AND KEY PLAYERS!
Feb 4, 2025 at 11:44 AM
- Since07
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Who said anything about trading star players? Browns probably just want picks have you seen how we've drafted in the first round? Only star players we've hit on have been Bosa and Ayuik since John Lynch took over in fact I think most of our 1st round picks outside of mcglinchey are either backups on other teams or have already retired
Feb 4, 2025 at 11:48 AM
- Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!
Here's the thing though, that #11 pick is going to command a rookie salary, Garrett is going to expect a deal bigger than Bosa's. You absolutely can't have two DE's earning over $70 million a year combined.
At some point you have to trust your scouting and ability to develop players because the salary cap doesn't allow you to just infinitely keep trading away draft picks and loading up on high $$$ players. This team is already top heavy and struggling with its overall depth, they really need an infusion of a whole lot of young and cheap talent right now.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 4, 2025 at 11:53 AM ]
Feb 4, 2025 at 11:57 AM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!
Here's the thing though, that #11 pick is going to command a rookie salary, Garrett is going to expect a deal bigger than Bosa's. You absolutely can't have two DE's earning over $70 million a year combined.
At some point you have to trust your scouting and ability to develop players because the salary cap doesn't allow you to just infinitely keep trading away draft picks and loading up on high $$$ players. This team is already top heavy and struggling with its overall depth, they really need an infusion of a whole lot of young and cheap talent right now.
yessir well said. got to take shots to make shots.
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!
Here's the thing though, that #11 pick is going to command a rookie salary, Garrett is going to expect a deal bigger than Bosa's. You absolutely can't have two DE's earning over $70 million a year combined.
At some point you have to trust your scouting and ability to develop players because the salary cap doesn't allow you to just infinitely keep trading away draft picks and loading up on high $$$ players.
I don't see why not, sure it is putting all of our eggs in one basket and might have to let players like Hufanga, Greenlaw walk but to all pro DEs would elevate the entire secondary and let's not forget both Bosa and Garrett are more than just pass rushers they stuff the run too.
Maybe it cripples us in the long run but give me 3 years of Garrett Bosa and Warner in the middle. We need to find an edge bad because Bosa can't do it him self and there is no good FA at edge nor the draft.
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:15 PM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by Since07:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!
Here's the thing though, that #11 pick is going to command a rookie salary, Garrett is going to expect a deal bigger than Bosa's. You absolutely can't have two DE's earning over $70 million a year combined.
At some point you have to trust your scouting and ability to develop players because the salary cap doesn't allow you to just infinitely keep trading away draft picks and loading up on high $$$ players.
I don't see why not, sure it is putting all of our eggs in one basket and might have to let players like Hufanga, Greenlaw walk but to all pro DEs would elevate the entire secondary and let's not forget both Bosa and Garrett are more than just pass rushers they stuff the run too.
Maybe it cripples us in the long run but give me 3 years of Garrett Bosa and Warner in the middle. We need to find an edge bad because Bosa can't do it him self and there is no good FA at edge nor the draft.
depends what your goal is. i see it as a 'all in' move. you do it to win a ring in the short term. we just won 6 games. if we were coming off the 2023 season this would make more sense.
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
depends what your goal is. i see it as a 'all in' move. you do it to win a ring in the short term. we just won 6 games. if we were coming off the 2023 season this would make more sense.
Absolutely all in move outside of purdy I feel most of our core players are just entering the twilight of their careers. Like Deebo, Williams, Warner, McCaffery, Juice, only have maybe a couple years left before they start to decline.
If there was another great pass rusher in free agency that we could just sign or if this draft was loaded with pass rushers I might look at it differently but there's not. We've kept putting a bandaid on the opposite side of Bosa with "good" but not even pro bowl level players. Here we have shot at a HOF to pair with him
[ Edited by Since07 on Feb 4, 2025 at 12:27 PM ]
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:25 PM
- 49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by Since07:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
depends what your goal is. i see it as a 'all in' move. you do it to win a ring in the short term. we just won 6 games. if we were coming off the 2023 season this would make more sense.
Absolutely all in move outside of purdy I feel most of our core players are just entering the twilight of their careers. If there was another great pass rusher in free agency that we could just sign or if this draft was loaded with pass rushers I might look at it differently but there's not. We've kept putting a bandaid on the opposite side of Bosa with "good" but not even pro bowl level players. Here we have shot at a HOF to pair with him
i just don't see it working to get a ring. i watched in 2019, our DL was blowing teams off the field. it wasn't enough. we needed more on O vs KC in the bowl. that was the case with brock also. so we need to revamp the WR room, the OL around brock imo.
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Myles Garrett is Myles Garrett but #11 overall could be anything… it could even be a player as good as Myles Garrett!
Here's the thing though, that #11 pick is going to command a rookie salary, Garrett is going to expect a deal bigger than Bosa's. You absolutely can't have two DE's earning over $70 million a year combined.
At some point you have to trust your scouting and ability to develop players because the salary cap doesn't allow you to just infinitely keep trading away draft picks and loading up on high $$$ players. This team is already top heavy and struggling with its overall depth, they really need an infusion of a whole lot of young and cheap talent right now.
Yes! luckily for us this draft is the deepest at the positions we need most OT and DT
Feb 4, 2025 at 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see it working to get a ring. i watched in 2019, our DL was blowing teams off the field. it wasn't enough. we needed more on O vs KC in the bowl. that was the case with brock also. so we need to revamp the WR room, the OL around brock imo.
It was enough though we should have won that SB with garbage playing at qb and that was 1 year we can have an elite DL for the next 3. OL absolutely once Williams retires we are in trouble seems we couldn't win a game this year without him
Feb 4, 2025 at 1:53 PM
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Originally posted by Since07:Williams out, didn't impact our offense like you make it seem. It was Center that caused the offense the most problems. That and some hero ball by the QB cost us some games
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see it working to get a ring. i watched in 2019, our DL was blowing teams off the field. it wasn't enough. we needed more on O vs KC in the bowl. that was the case with brock also. so we need to revamp the WR room, the OL around brock imo.
It was enough though we should have won that SB with garbage playing at qb and that was 1 year we can have an elite DL for the next 3. OL absolutely once Williams retires we are in trouble seems we couldn't win a game this year without him
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Feb 4, 2025 at 1:55 PM ]
Feb 4, 2025 at 1:54 PM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:All in ?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:Rams aint s**t.. they could barely handle our scrubs.. should have swept them if Purdy had his head on right
no sure thing in drafting, no sure thing in FA/trade either. browns moved on watson and that blew up on em. look at jets landing aaron rodgers, how did that go? well we have saleh back, must not have gone well. myles, is expensive on the cap, costs draft capital, he's older and had feet issues. my priority if i am lynch we need to get a young talented core group of guys. rams somehow got past us they have a lot of talented young guys.
if we go 'all in', i don't see it working. better to build it up for sustained success imo.
you yourself said we just need a healthy CMC, remember?
Plus getting MG isn't going all in. We still can sign other guys and draft BPA.
Feb 4, 2025 at 2:12 PM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Since07:Williams out, didn't impact our offense like you make it seem. It was Center that caused the offense the most problems. That and some hero ball by the QB cost us some games
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i just don't see it working to get a ring. i watched in 2019, our DL was blowing teams off the field. it wasn't enough. we needed more on O vs KC in the bowl. that was the case with brock also. so we need to revamp the WR room, the OL around brock imo.
It was enough though we should have won that SB with garbage playing at qb and that was 1 year we can have an elite DL for the next 3. OL absolutely once Williams retires we are in trouble seems we couldn't win a game this year without him
I think you're kidding yourself if Williams was in we might have made the playoffs. You are right cent and left guard has been disastrous and yes I remember seeing a couple plays where Purdy straight cost us the games for no reason throwing it up into coverage on 2nd down. Still believe in him but I'm a bit concerned about giving him a massive contract but we have no choice
Feb 4, 2025 at 4:32 PM
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Originally posted by Alfienator:
Can you lock up a trade before June and make it official on June? Ie. traded on draft day
No. You can cut a player prior to June 1 with a June 1st designation (frees up roster spot now, but money doesn't come off books til June), but you can't trade now, which means if they want a post June trade, it won't be paid for with this year's draft picks.
The biggest advantage 49ers have is that they own the highest 2025 draft pick of teams that can be considered contenders...that doesn't matter if they wait.
Feb 4, 2025 at 4:33 PM
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Feb 4, 2025 at 5:51 PM
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Kupp anyone? Just seems like a guy Kyle would like. I guess it doesn't really make sense with what he makes (I assume) and our other needs