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Stafford Traded to Rams for two 1st's, a 3rd, and Goff

Stafford Traded to Rams for two 1st's, a 3rd, and Goff

Trade our #2 and Armstead for Stafford. Then trade Jimmy to the Pats for their #2. We free up the cap space to re-sign Trent Williams and Verrett, and others. Then use our 1st RD pick on a DE.
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Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trade our #2 and Armstead for Stafford. Then trade Jimmy to the Pats for their #2. We free up the cap space to re-sign Trent Williams and Verrett, and others. Then use our 1st RD pick on a DE.

Seeing as how trading AA would cost 9 million just to trade I don't think your getting much savings
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Stafford is a slight improvement. That's not worth a first. Let alone multiple. Somebody else can have him for that price. Would much rather "overpay" for Watson.
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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I hope we can pull up these receipts of people not wanting Stafford.

I've screen capped a couple on the slim chance we trade for him and then he goes on to outperform Jimmy.

What outcome will that provide? Everybody will continue to post as they please without a single consequence. This is the internet.

Probably nothing, because if Stafford ends up here and plays well all of them will be posting in the official crow eating thread that will be made.

I mean that's fine. But literally every thread in the history of this website is littered with bad takes. Look at the Goff thread. Or Watson thread.

There's like three dudes who just don't like Stafford. Anybody else who is being painted as "anti-Stafford" just want a deal that makes sense. He's not some legendary guy. And he's never been as impactful as a guy like Watson. He's just this years decent vet QB that's available.

Only problem with Watson is that it'd cost two entire drafts of premium picks to get him. But it's a bit disingenuous to say he's a "decent vet," because that ignores that he's one of about five QBs in the entire NFL that can make the Mahomes-esque throws. He's a decent vet who has elite of the elite physical talent, and perhaps that could be unlocked with a great offensive coach. Then again, maybe what's upstairs will never fully click. But the physical talent is greater than his production - although the actual production makes him what you said: this year's decent vet QB.

Exactly. Vet QBs like Stafford are available via trade every year. This year we can stand to improve at QB so fans have turned Stafford into something he's not. He's fine. He has one elite trait. The rest is just okay. That's why he never lived up to his draft status. He's a good, not great QB.
[ Edited by okdkid on Jan 24, 2021 at 9:56 AM ]
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Totally agree. 49ers fans are melting down about how much they are prepared to give away for Stafford, Watson or a high draft pick. Some ridiculous bounties are being suggested but two 1sts for Stafford would be completely insane.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Exactly this. Hard pass on Stafford if that's the going price.
Originally posted by okdkid:
Stafford is a slight improvement. That's not worth a first. Let alone multiple. Somebody else can have him for that price. Would much rather "overpay" for Watson.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Exactly. Vet QBs like Stafford are available via trade every year. This year we can stand to improve at QB so fans have turned Stafford into something he's not. He's fine. He has one elite trait. The rest is just okay. That's why he never lived up to his draft status. He's a good, not great QB.

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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Totally agree. 49ers fans are melting down about how much they are prepared to give away for Stafford, Watson or a high draft pick. Some ridiculous bounties are being suggested but two 1sts for Stafford would be completely insane.

People have to remember. The absolute worst case for Shanahan is he runs it back with Garoppolo. Which we know he is fine with.

The question we should be asking is NOT "what will it take to get Stafford." But..."what deal would make Shanahan move off of Garoppolo?"
[ Edited by okdkid on Jan 24, 2021 at 9:58 AM ]
Originally posted by IGSXIII:
Benjamin Albright insinuating the cost for Stafford will be around the same as the cost the Seahawks paid for Jamal Adams (two 1s and a 3rd...)

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/1353131593318076417?s=21

Zero chance.

That trade happened in July before any games were played and the draft was 8 months away. Jets basically had to project that the two 1sts would be in the 20's.

We have a draft in three months with most of the order set. And we have pick #12. Much more valuable than a mid-20's 1st.

And Adams is a 25-year-old stud and top 3 at his position.
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Originally posted by IGSXIII:
Benjamin Albright insinuating the cost for Stafford will be around the same as the cost the Seahawks paid for Jamal Adams (two 1s and a 3rd...)


This seems preposterous.

That's probably close to what some teams will be offering for Watson, with something extra on top for sure...but still.

If someone actually DOES give up two firsts and a 3rd for Stafford, what kind of compensation will Watson net? It would be historic.
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Exactly. Vet QBs like Stafford are available via trade every year. This year we can stand to improve at QB so fans have turned Stafford into something he's not. He's fine. He has one elite trait. The rest is just okay. That's why he never lived up to his draft status. He's a good, not great QB.

His only elite year was 11 years ago. Since then he has averaged 24.7 TDs and 11.9 INTs while going 61-74-1. You're not winning a Superbowl with Stafford as your QB.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Exactly. Vet QBs like Stafford are available via trade every year. This year we can stand to improve at QB so fans have turned Stafford into something he's not. He's fine. He has one elite trait. The rest is just okay. That's why he never lived up to his draft status. He's a good, not great QB.

His only elite year was 11 years ago. Since then he has averaged 24.7 TDs and 11.9 INTs while going 61-74-1. You're not winning a Superbowl with Stafford as your QB.

1 pro bowl year. He's fine. But not great.
Originally posted by BYisGod:
Originally posted by IGSXIII:
Benjamin Albright insinuating the cost for Stafford will be around the same as the cost the Seahawks paid for Jamal Adams (two 1s and a 3rd...)

https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/1353131593318076417?s=21

Lol I think Stafford will cost more than some on here are suggesting—but Allbright seems off on this one. Adams is a much younger player and was coming of an all-pro season.

I was thinking #12 and whatever we get for Jimmy G (maybe the Patriots 4th?) Or perhaps #12 and that Saleh comp 3rd if it'll put us over the top.

I just really don't want to dig into next year's picks or #43 this year. Would much rather just trade #12 and a mid-late pick this year and be done with it.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers... all recently had great seasons at age 37.

Stafford will be age 37 for the 2025 season. He definitely has at least five very, very good seasons left IMO.
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's not a QB, for one, and two, good QBs play well into their late 30s.

Just because Brady has played well doesn't mean Stafford will. No one is going to give up 2 firsts for an above average QB who is in his 30s.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers... all recently had great seasons at age 37.

Stafford will be age 37 for the 2025 season. He definitely has at least five very, very good seasons left IMO.

He very well may. But those guys are total outliers. They are not representative of the norm in any way.
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