Allen Robinson best FA WR

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

We don't need Allen Robinson. We need to put that money towards a CB and o line. Don't forget we still have Garçon . Plus a 2nd and two 3rds

We have 116 million in salary cap lol. I think we can make due

After we give Jimmy about 25 mil. Brown about 13 mil we got about 78 mil to get a CB1, Center, Guard, WR, Safety, TE, RB. Plus money set aside for depth which adds up to like 10-15 mil. And cap for the draft.

That s**t will go quick. Gotta be smart with it, and it rolls over if we don't use it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

After we give Jimmy about 25 mil. Brown about 13 mil we got about 78 mil to get a CB1, Center, Guard, WR, Safety, TE, RB. Plus money set aside for depth which adds up to like 10-15 mil. And cap for the draft.

That s**t will go quick. Gotta be smart with it, and it rolls over if we don't use it.

And we may want to roll some of it over for future extensions and potential additional moves in FA or via trade. We should not expect this team to fill all its holes this offseason, we may add new bodies to holes to compete but they may be band aids and not more permanent fixtures.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Well put

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Well i was so thrown by your in-depth and sharp analysis that "he sucks" that i forgot to refute all of the legitimate points you made as to why "he sucks."

Perhaps "sucks" was an exaggeration, but he is definitely overrated, imo. Majority of his routes are post routes, so he's a deep threat specialist with good but not elite speed at 6' with short arms. He doesn't show much YAC on his out routes. He is nice and sudden with his footwork running slants, and he does have solid hands. I just don't see a 1st rounder, and maybe not a top 50 player. Somewhere between a Torrey Smith and a Keenan Allen.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

How old will he be when the 2018 season starts? And how old will Ridley be?

Robinson born August 1993 and Ridley born dec 1994. So Robinson is only 9 months older?

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Robinson born August 1993 and Ridley born dec 1994. So Robinson is only 9 months older?

I said "about"

Robinson would be that RZ target we've been missing. I'd go with him, he was baller with bortles. Imagine him with shanny and Gucci garrop

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Well i was so thrown by your in-depth and sharp analysis that "he sucks" that i forgot to refute all of the legitimate points you made as to why "he sucks."

Perhaps "sucks" was an exaggeration, but he is definitely overrated, imo. Majority of his routes are post routes, so he's a deep threat specialist with good but not elite speed at 6' with short arms. He doesn't show much YAC on his out routes. He is nice and sudden with his footwork running slants, and he does have solid hands. I just don't see a 1st rounder, and maybe not a top 50 player. Somewhere between a Torrey Smith and a Keenan Allen.

I don't disagree. I just don't think he sucks. I do think he certainly has elite speed. He will burn you deep but does lack the precise route running you'd like to see. The rest i agree with you on.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Facts are straight...he will be 25 when the season starts.

And there is no guarantee he hits the market, it is all opinions and guesswork at this point. Also being on schedule to go does not mean the player will be back to his old self and playing at the same level pre ACL injury or that the player ever returns to that exact same form, always a little risk there.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Facts are straight...he will be 25 when the season starts.

And there is no guarantee he hits the market, it is all opinions and guesswork at this point. Also being on schedule to go does not mean the player will be back to his old self and playing at the same level pre ACL injury or that the player ever returns to that exact same form, always a little risk there.

His play was in decline...actually only really had one great year in 14', only 750+ yards in 16'. 4.6 40 at the combine before the ACL and he wasn't the quickest guy in his class either. He's a big risk that will command big $$ IMO.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Facts are straight...he will be 25 when the season starts.

And there is no guarantee he hits the market, it is all opinions and guesswork at this point. Also being on schedule to go does not mean the player will be back to his old self and playing at the same level pre ACL injury or that the player ever returns to that exact same form, always a little risk there.

His play was in decline...actually only really had one great year in 14', only 750+ yards in 16'. 4.6 40 at the combine before the ACL and he wasn't the quickest guy in his class either. He's a big risk that will command big $$ IMO.

You're saying his play was on decline based on volume stats? That's not how it works. And he had 1400 yards in '15 and 900 yards in '16, fyi.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Not to mention Allen Robinson is 24 years old. The same age that Calvin Ridley will be when he starts the season. The sky is the limit for Arob and people have seem to forget how amazing he was before his injury.

you've posted about Ridley's age in like three other threads we get it, he's not some 21 yr old kid....he's 23 and IMO I don't think that's a problem. He also doesn't have a torn ACL and won't command a $10+ million contract for 5 yrs

And he is wrong.

Ridley just turned 23 while Adams just turned 25 and ARob will be 25 when the regular season starts.

We also do not know if ARob will hit the market as it seems more likely they would rather keep ARob than Lee. Also a chance it take Robinson time to get back to his old self as no 2 players heal the same from an injury, he could be fine by the season opener or he may not be fully back until year 2. Even a slim chance he is never quite the same.

And like you said, if they drafted Ridley you get 5 years on a rookie deal before paying him market value if he reaches his potential.

FWIW, I love ARob and would love to have him but if they preferred to try and find their guy in the draft, be it Ridley or other, that too could turn out to be a great move.

Ridley has huge potential in this offense and would give us another big playmaker for Jimmy. I do not see whats not to like with him.

Allen Robinson is 24. Get your facts straight. He's about 9 months older than Ridley.

ARob will hit the market because he will be looking for the largest guarantee he can get. ARob also hurt himself very early on in the season and is schedule to be ready to go by training camp.

Facts are straight...he will be 25 when the season starts.

And there is no guarantee he hits the market, it is all opinions and guesswork at this point. Also being on schedule to go does not mean the player will be back to his old self and playing at the same level pre ACL injury or that the player ever returns to that exact same form, always a little risk there.

His play was in decline...actually only really had one great year in 14', only 750+ yards in 16'. 4.6 40 at the combine before the ACL and he wasn't the quickest guy in his class either. He's a big risk that will command big $$ IMO.

You're saying his play was on decline based on volume stats? That's not how it works. And he had 1400 yards in '15 and 900 yards in '16, fyi.

883 in 16' and his YPC dropped from 17.5 in 15' to 12.1 in 16'. His YPC in 14' was 11.4 so who is he as a WR?