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Originally posted by jcs:
" Watkins did a lot of damage in the red zone on slant routes, showing off his strong hands and willingness to go over the middle. Unfortunately, he struggled to get open on out-breaking routes, partly because Goff wasn't all that sharp throwing to his left, which is where Watkins primarily lines up."

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/20/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-routes-stats-pff-2017/
-Thing is there were allot of weird things going on with that rams offense last season. It was widely reported that Goff rarely made any adjustments on his own and the reason why they lined up so fast all season long was to give McVay the time to read the coverages for him and tell him how to pass the ball before the headphones clicked off.

Pryor can't run a route...Watkins can. He is also versatile and can play both inside and out. He's 24 and still developing and he has superior physical talent to any receiver on this team, he was a top 5 pick a few years ago because of that physical talent. It's a risk I get that but who isn't in the WR market? At least he won't cost the $14 million or so that Robinson will coming off an ACL injury.

I was joking with Pryor I don't want him here but he has a 1,000 yard seaon regardless of not being very good...so because Goff is Zoolander and cant throw left that's the new excuse for Watkins? I also call BS on Goff not being able to throw to the left, I mean go look at his highlights of this past yr...a lot of his success was passing on the left.

If he was such a monster why does it look like the Rams are gonna move on from him? If he's the physically gifted WR with all those untapped potential why wouldn't McVay get him involved? Isn't he suppose to be a offensive guru who puts talent in places to succeed?

If he comes here I'm hoping it not for a multi yr deal and I hope it's not for $10+ million.

I'd much rather draft a WR kyle likes in the mid rds, I also think we're fine there with Garçon coming back.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
" Watkins did a lot of damage in the red zone on slant routes, showing off his strong hands and willingness to go over the middle. Unfortunately, he struggled to get open on out-breaking routes, partly because Goff wasn't all that sharp throwing to his left, which is where Watkins primarily lines up."

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/20/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-routes-stats-pff-2017/
-Thing is there were allot of weird things going on with that rams offense last season. It was widely reported that Goff rarely made any adjustments on his own and the reason why they lined up so fast all season long was to give McVay the time to read the coverages for him and tell him how to pass the ball before the headphones clicked off.

Pryor can't run a route...Watkins can. He is also versatile and can play both inside and out. He's 24 and still developing and he has superior physical talent to any receiver on this team, he was a top 5 pick a few years ago because of that physical talent. It's a risk I get that but who isn't in the WR market? At least he won't cost the $14 million or so that Robinson will coming off an ACL injury.

I was joking with Pryor I don't want him here but he has a 1,000 yard seaon regardless of not being very good...so because Goff is Zoolander and cant throw left that's the new excuse for Watkins? I also call BS on Goff not being able to throw to the left, I mean go look at his highlights of this past yr...a lot of his success was passing on the left.

If he was such a monster why does it look like the Rams are gonna move on from him? If he's the physically gifted WR with all those untapped potential why wouldn't McVay get him involved? Isn't he suppose to be a offensive guru who puts talent in places to succeed?

If he comes here I'm hoping it not for a multi yr deal and I hope it's not for $10+ million.

I'd much rather draft a WR kyle likes in the mid rds, I also think we're fine there with Garçon coming back.


Goff struggled to the Left.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-sean-mcvay-rams-saints-jared-goff-audibles
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/11/30/16719282/rams-sean-mcvay-jared-goff-job-pre-snap-communication-cheating-rules
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/27/rams-line-up-quickly-so-sean-mcvay-can-call-audibles/

Teams are also going to figure out a way to beat him after a season of this by changing things up after the mics cut off to force Goff to be a QB.
[ Edited by jcs on Feb 23, 2018 at 3:30 PM ]
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jcs:
" Watkins did a lot of damage in the red zone on slant routes, showing off his strong hands and willingness to go over the middle. Unfortunately, he struggled to get open on out-breaking routes, partly because Goff wasn't all that sharp throwing to his left, which is where Watkins primarily lines up."

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/20/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-routes-stats-pff-2017/
-Thing is there were allot of weird things going on with that rams offense last season. It was widely reported that Goff rarely made any adjustments on his own and the reason why they lined up so fast all season long was to give McVay the time to read the coverages for him and tell him how to pass the ball before the headphones clicked off.

Pryor can't run a route...Watkins can. He is also versatile and can play both inside and out. He's 24 and still developing and he has superior physical talent to any receiver on this team, he was a top 5 pick a few years ago because of that physical talent. It's a risk I get that but who isn't in the WR market? At least he won't cost the $14 million or so that Robinson will coming off an ACL injury.

I was joking with Pryor I don't want him here but he has a 1,000 yard seaon regardless of not being very good...so because Goff is Zoolander and cant throw left that's the new excuse for Watkins? I also call BS on Goff not being able to throw to the left, I mean go look at his highlights of this past yr...a lot of his success was passing on the left.

If he was such a monster why does it look like the Rams are gonna move on from him? If he's the physically gifted WR with all those untapped potential why wouldn't McVay get him involved? Isn't he suppose to be a offensive guru who puts talent in places to succeed?

If he comes here I'm hoping it not for a multi yr deal and I hope it's not for $10+ million.

I'd much rather draft a WR kyle likes in the mid rds, I also think we're fine there with Garçon coming back.


Goff struggled to the Left.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-sean-mcvay-rams-saints-jared-goff-audibles
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/11/30/16719282/rams-sean-mcvay-jared-goff-job-pre-snap-communication-cheating-rules
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/27/rams-line-up-quickly-so-sean-mcvay-can-call-audibles/

Teams are also going to figure out a way to beat him after a season of this by changing things up after the mics cut off to force Goff to be a QB.

All I see is that he struggled on deep balls (20+ yards) on the left side? Actually looks like outside of the deep ball he was better throwing to the left? Am I reading that right?

FWIW I know about McVay calling the audibles, not sure how that affects their top WR? I feel like that should help him not hurt him.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Feb 23, 2018 at 3:50 PM ]
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

You mean the receiver that's coming of a season ending ACL? At least Watkins played all of last season.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

I'm not as high on Taylor. He was average to me. I think he can be upgraded.
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

You mean the receiver that's coming of a season ending ACL? At least Watkins played all of last season.

Watkins foot is still more of a concern than Robinson's ACL. He had his foot operated on twice and didn't recover right the 1st time.
Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not as high on Taylor. He was average to me. I think he can be upgraded.

After one seaon lol? Stop, doesn't matter what you think that's Kyle's pick
So many people just look at where a player is drafted and then think he is great or not because of it. Watkins has pretty much been a disappointment given the expectation for him coming out of school. LA gave up a 2nd rd pick and now wont even tag the guy. He caught only 39 balls ( out of 70 targets) in 15 games. He obviously is talented and has a lot of potential but the Niners have bigger needs where they can spend their money. Goodwin, Garcon, Taylor, and Bourne isnt the best receiving group in the league but its still pretty good.

If Watkins was clearly a #1 WR receiver then I would say go for it but I just dont see that.
Originally posted by Dillesq:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

I'm not as high on Taylor. He was average to me. I think he can be upgraded.

For a 5'7" rookie 5th round pick he was definitely above average. Only a few rookie wide receivers had more yards.
Would take him for the vet minimum
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Originally posted by Dillesq:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

I'm not as high on Taylor. He was average to me. I think he can be upgraded.

For a 5'7" rookie 5th round pick he was definitely above average. Only a few rookie wide receivers had more yards.

He's great value on that contract and is a great pass catcher. Are you kidding me for a rookie from LA Tech?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not as high on Taylor. He was average to me. I think he can be upgraded.

After one seaon lol? Stop, doesn't matter what you think that's Kyle's pick

I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth
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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Something about this guy seems soft, I'd pass

Yah dude is always injured and the 49ers have a receiver like him already in Garcon.

He played in 15 games last year, Garcon only 8. He's similar in size but he has the top end speed at 24 that Garcon is quickly loosing being a 32 year old WR at the start of this season. Watkins can also play the slot, not sure Garcon has before? Bring him in and make him the Slot day 1 and then let him compete for ball. He's also insurance in case Garcon gets hurt again or Goodwin takes another head injury because he could easily slip outside and replace them.

49ers have a good slot receiver in Trent Taylor already and Goodwin could also slide there if need be. Yah Garcon will be 32 but he'll still beat CB's like Trumaine Johnson. You talk about age and injuries, but Sammy Watkins hasn't been fully healthy since he was a rookie. I'd much rather look towards the draft for a receiver, unless of course they could somehow snag Allen Robinson.

You mean the receiver that's coming of a season ending ACL? At least Watkins played all of last season.

Robinson at least made it through two full seasons.
Originally posted by Dillesq:
I'm not saying it as a slight lol. He did a swell job. He can be upgraded, though. I imagine DJ Moore or Keke Coutee in his role and i start foaming at the mouth

I like moore, but I'll bet money they're not "upgrading" from Kyle's boy in the slot, and they shouldn't be.
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