Alex Smith in Free Agency

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:


Obviously you never played the position... Stretching out for the ball and exposing your midsection for a direct hit is just plain dumb if it doesn't have to be done. What good are you to your team if you're on IR, if you make the catch and get your ribs smashed? Now if it's 4th down and the game is on the line you do it; but, if its 2nd an 1 and your QB hangs it out there, you don't try for that play if you're going to get drilled hard.

It's not about making the play or not. It's about living to fight another day (or play). If it's for a key play in the game then sure, you sacrifice your body for the good of the team or if your QB has an errant throw once or twice; but, if it's just about every throw and your QB is killing your out there, then you're going to let some of those slide...

Ridiculous. I was a WR for my HS and college. I play hard and catch everything I have a shot at. I was labeled Chrebet Jr. and I took my injuries and played through most. Like I said, to each his own, but if you are a WR and don't give your all, then you would not be treated well or keep your job on my team.

"Living to fight another day" I can't even comment to as I want to, as the mods would have a field day on me. That is an attitude that I find unacceptable. I mean, if we are talking about catapulting ones self into the bleachers just to catch a ball, then sure... I get it. But on the field, you catch everything that is remotely in your reach. I can't believe this is even a subject of debate...

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:


Obviously you never played the position... Stretching out for the ball and exposing your midsection for a direct hit is just plain dumb if it doesn't have to be done. What good are you to your team if you're on IR, if you make the catch and get your ribs smashed? Now if it's 4th down and the game is on the line you do it; but, if its 2nd an 1 and your QB hangs it out there, you don't try for that play if you're going to get drilled hard.

It's not about making the play or not. It's about living to fight another day (or play). If it's for a key play in the game then sure, you sacrifice your body for the good of the team or if your QB has an errant throw once or twice; but, if it's just about every throw and your QB is killing your out there, then you're going to let some of those slide...

Ridiculous. I was a WR for my HS and college. I play hard and catch everything I have a shot at. I was labeled Chrebet Jr. and I took my injuries and played through most. Like I said, to each his own, but if you are a WR and don't give your all, then you would not be treated well or keep your job on my team.

"Living to fight another day" I can't even comment to as I want to, as the mods would have a field day on me. That is an attitude that I find unacceptable. I mean, if we are talking about catapulting ones self into the bleachers just to catch a ball, then sure... I get it. But on the field, you catch everything that is remotely in your reach. I can't believe this is even a subject of debate...

I guess it's coaching then... I've been coached to not kill myself trying to make the catch. Especially after a breaking an Ankle, bruised ribs, a concussion, and a broken nose. I guess they tell the expendable ones to go after everything no matter the cost and then tell the ones with talent to Make a play; but, not at the expense of losing yourself for the season...

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Going to extremes to backpedal = priceless...

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Going to extremes to backpedal = priceless...

Don't blame me if you fail at reading comprehension or lack the analytical skill to evaluate the merit of ones argument.

I'd ask you to show me where anyone in here, other than you, suggests that a receiver shouldn't try for a catch because it's difficult; but, I know you can't and you've already tried to derail this thread enough... If you want to continue this debate, then lets move it to the Niner Talk WR thread...

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Going to extremes to backpedal = priceless...

Don't blame me if you fail at reading comprehension or lack the analytical skill to evaluate the merit of ones argument.

I'd ask you to show me where anyone in here, other than you, suggests that a receiver shouldn't try for a catch because it's difficult; but, I know you can't and you've already tried to derail this thread enough... If you want to continue this debate, then lets move it to the Niner Talk WR thread...

Haha, no point. You have shown plenty enough of how you play(ed) the game, and there's nothing left to be said. You are always welcomed to get the last word in... I'm done with this, and yes, it really should get back on the specific topic.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Going to extremes to backpedal = priceless...

Don't blame me if you fail at reading comprehension or lack the analytical skill to evaluate the merit of ones argument.

I'd ask you to show me where anyone in here, other than you, suggests that a receiver shouldn't try for a catch because it's difficult; but, I know you can't and you've already tried to derail this thread enough... If you want to continue this debate, then lets move it to the Niner Talk WR thread...

Haha, no point. You have shown plenty enough of how you play(ed) the game, and there's nothing left to be said. You are always welcomed to get the last word in... I'm done with this, and yes, it really should get back on the specific topic.

No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Yes, everybody has made up their mind and nothing will change until the season starts. It isn't worth the time. I gave up on this topic weeks ago.

This shouldn't even be about the QB. This is about the simple job of a WR... particularly a "pro". Can't believe someone would go to the lengths of suggesting that pro WRs shouldn't try hard if a ball is tough to get to. My coach would have grabbed me by the mask and screamed at me for not giving 100%. Injuries happen, but team success can not afford to have a player being soft and timid about potential injuries.

No need to make stuff up...

What people are suggesting is that there is no need to kill yourself (and possibly take yourself out for the season) for a reception of 3 yards on a 4th and 20 when your QB floats it across the middle or is late and too high on a dump off....

Going to extremes to backpedal = priceless...

Don't blame me if you fail at reading comprehension or lack the analytical skill to evaluate the merit of ones argument.

I'd ask you to show me where anyone in here, other than you, suggests that a receiver shouldn't try for a catch because it's difficult; but, I know you can't and you've already tried to derail this thread enough... If you want to continue this debate, then lets move it to the Niner Talk WR thread...

Haha, no point. You have shown plenty enough of how you play(ed) the game, and there's nothing left to be said. You are always welcomed to get the last word in... I'm done with this, and yes, it really should get back on the specific topic.

No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:


No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

It is unbelievable to me that people would make the assertion that players should protect themselves unless they believe in their team mates and the game is on the line. I can see not doing stupid things, such as leading with your head, but what else are they not to do?

Should players never go over the middle (most dangerous routes) unless the game is on the line? In all my years of sports I have never heard a coach tell players "don't hurt yourself."

As for not protecting yourself if you "have nothing to lose," tell that to all the great players who risked millions every time they go over the middle and lay out. Many do so in practice not just games. Practice doing things correctly and you will be less likely to be injured. Trying to change your pattern leads to uncertainty and injury.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:


No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

It is unbelievable to me that people would make the assertion that players should protect themselves unless they believe in their team mates and the game is on the line. I can see not doing stupid things, such as leading with your head, but what else are they not to do?

Should players never go over the middle (most dangerous routes) unless the game is on the line? In all my years of sports I have never heard a coach tell players "don't hurt yourself."

As for not protecting yourself if you "have nothing to lose," tell that to all the great players who risked millions every time they go over the middle and lay out. Many do so in practice not just games. Practice doing things correctly and you will be less likely to be injured. Trying to change your pattern leads to uncertainty and injury.

I never said thats how things should be, I just live in the real world and I am aware how big money changes things. You guys just choose not to accept the reality of big money sports

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:


No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

It is unbelievable to me that people would make the assertion that players should protect themselves unless they believe in their team mates and the game is on the line. I can see not doing stupid things, such as leading with your head, but what else are they not to do?

Should players never go over the middle (most dangerous routes) unless the game is on the line? In all my years of sports I have never heard a coach tell players "don't hurt yourself."

As for not protecting yourself if you "have nothing to lose," tell that to all the great players who risked millions every time they go over the middle and lay out. Many do so in practice not just games. Practice doing things correctly and you will be less likely to be injured. Trying to change your pattern leads to uncertainty and injury.

I never said thats how things should be, I just live in the real world and I am aware how big money changes things. You guys just choose not to accept the reality of big money sports

I disagree. My opinion:

These are professional football players who get paid to sacrifice their bodies. The WR who gives 1000% and lays out for balls is going to get recognition, accolades and a larger contract than the alligator-armed one because he is not afraid to go over the middle and catches everything that comes near him. That is how it works in the "reality of big money sports."

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:


No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

It is unbelievable to me that people would make the assertion that players should protect themselves unless they believe in their team mates and the game is on the line. I can see not doing stupid things, such as leading with your head, but what else are they not to do?

Should players never go over the middle (most dangerous routes) unless the game is on the line? In all my years of sports I have never heard a coach tell players "don't hurt yourself."

As for not protecting yourself if you "have nothing to lose," tell that to all the great players who risked millions every time they go over the middle and lay out. Many do so in practice not just games. Practice doing things correctly and you will be less likely to be injured. Trying to change your pattern leads to uncertainty and injury.

I never said thats how things should be, I just live in the real world and I am aware how big money changes things. You guys just choose not to accept the reality of big money sports

I disagree. My opinion:

These are professional football players who get paid to sacrifice their bodies. The WR who gives 1000% and lays out for balls is going to get recognition, accolades and a larger contract than the alligator-armed one because he is not afraid to go over the middle and catches everything that comes near him. That is how it works in the "reality of big money sports."

Well, in the reality in big money sports a good percentage the big money athletes don't give %100 effort on %100 of the snaps if they don't feel there team has a shot a the playoffs. Sorry to contrast your boyhood fantasy of these guys all being blue collar workaholics but its just simply not even close to being true.

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by RichmondPete:


No offense but Pro WRs that are getting paid are not going to lay out across the middle for a QB they don't believe in on a team that has no chance of success. Your mentality is of a guy with nothing to lose, these are pro's with alot to lose. For instance theirs lives.

geez maybe the oline shouldnt block for a rb unless they believe in him---if gore is a little gimpy this year he better watch out
I should apply this concept at work and tell the manager i dont really believe in him so im not going all out--he has got to understand, right?

It is unbelievable to me that people would make the assertion that players should protect themselves unless they believe in their team mates and the game is on the line. I can see not doing stupid things, such as leading with your head, but what else are they not to do?

Should players never go over the middle (most dangerous routes) unless the game is on the line? In all my years of sports I have never heard a coach tell players "don't hurt yourself."

As for not protecting yourself if you "have nothing to lose," tell that to all the great players who risked millions every time they go over the middle and lay out. Many do so in practice not just games. Practice doing things correctly and you will be less likely to be injured. Trying to change your pattern leads to uncertainty and injury.

I never said thats how things should be, I just live in the real world and I am aware how big money changes things. You guys just choose not to accept the reality of big money sports

I disagree. My opinion:

These are professional football players who get paid to sacrifice their bodies. The WR who gives 1000% and lays out for balls is going to get recognition, accolades and a larger contract than the alligator-armed one because he is not afraid to go over the middle and catches everything that comes near him. That is how it works in the "reality of big money sports."

Well, in the reality in big money sports a good percentage the big money athletes don't give %100 effort on %100 of the snaps if they don't feel there team has a shot a the playoffs. Sorry to contrast your boyhood fantasy of these guys all being blue collar workaholics but its just simply not even close to being true.

What was it that you said to me before? "Condescension is a sign of weakness," or words to that effect, I believe.

Good luck to you.