expect big change in sf

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Spending a bunch of money in FA is not always the answer, it's about spending it wisely and finding players that should [B]and could fit your system which may not always be the most popular choice. [B]

I'll keep my expectations low so I am not let down if we don't come out guns a blazing in FA.

Yeah I remember getting W Harris and fans were like what a STUPID Move...turned out the guy made the probowl and did well til his injury

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Spending a bunch of money in FA is not always the answer, it's about spending it wisely and finding players that should and could fit your system which may not always be the most popular choice.

I'll keep my expectations low so I am not let down if we don't come out guns a blazing in FA.

yep..you are right.....piss on the likes of Julius Peppers.....Niner's couldn't have used him......all about the system.

Dunno if you are being sarcastic or not but Peppers has never played OLB in a 3-4 so we can't know for sure how well he would have transitioned though I think he could make the transition. However I could be wrong.

You also have to consider that some players won't want to come here, we have no control over that. You can make offers and try to sell them but it is up to the player to decide if they want to buy. Case in point, the 9ers tried to get Adalius Thomas a few years back and Nolan and Sing had the familiarity with him but he did not want to go west, he wanted to play for the Pats, and rumor had it we offered more cash.

Well I guess I am just a rednecked simple Simon from VA...but my philosophy is......can the man play football? Don't give a rat's arse about 3-4, 4-3 , can the man play the game.....and play it well......

Ok, great. Nice to meet you Simon, how's the weather in VA on this fine day ?

Scheme does matter, as does the team you play for and where that team is situated, who is coaching it, who owns it, how much they would be willing to pay you etc. Sometimes it's only 1 or 2 of those things that matter sometimes it's more.

In Peppers case, he said he wanted to play in a 3-4, he also said he was open to being traded to 4 teams, 2 in the NFC south, Dallas and an AFC team. So he didn't really seem to have any interest in playing here from what we knew.

Okay.....you win.......again.....piss on making a push for any quality FAs that could be an impact player. Let's continue to sign players that are second and third rate role players thus sinking further into mediocrity. Money talks........BS walks......and as far as I am concerned this team has been full of BS from the top down, especially when it comes to FA.

Adalius Thomas is proof money doesn't always talk.

And I never said not to push for any of the top names in FA, all I am saying is you can push all you want, in the end the player decides where he wants to play.

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Yeah I remember getting W Harris and fans were like what a STUPID Move...turned out the guy made the probowl and did well til his injury

Prime example. Great point.

And not all the guys we went after were 2nd or 3rd rate. Justin Smith, Nate Clements, Jonas Jennings all were near the top of their FA class in terms of name recognition at those respective times. But Walt Harris was a 2nd/3rd rate guy who proved that those guys can be impact signings and really help a team even though they aren't the attractive name to fans.

We will not get kolb because we would have to give up at least a second maybe even a first and i doubt we do unless we are sure he is worth it....which he probably is not. Most likely if our front office is smart get mcnabb before ariz does and that will buy us enough time to groom a good qb that understands the system in a year or two. Like aaron rogers did in gb. At least this way mcnabb has the ability to win a sb unlike an orton or even the backup from tb. Hasselbeck is for sure going to sign with the seahawks after the playoff performance.

As far as cb...overspending for a champ or esp nmandi is well worth it. Even teams with avg pass rush if they have good cbs tbeir d is still great.....the jets blitz but dont have a good pass rush and revis and cromartie lockdown their wrs most of the time. Sooner or later we will go up against a great ol and get no pass rush and it will be up to our cbs. They gave up a 90 RATING this year. We need nmandi or champ and prince will be there at 7.

Finally an ol coach and a good secondary coach...we will be alright on the pass rush. Lets hope for mcnabb and a cb in fa and a solid rg. The olb or de is probably next.

I doubt we'll win the bidding war for the free agent Raider CB whose name I won't attempt. I believe we need to emphasize the OLB pass rush. If the QB has no time, you don't need pro bowl CBs. Although I will concede it would be nice.

Go for Nnamdi, Donovan, and Vincent Jackson and call it a season, watch what happens and sit back and smile.

Originally posted by ishkabibel:
I doubt we'll win the bidding war for the free agent Raider CB whose name I won't attempt. I believe we need to emphasize the OLB pass rush. If the QB has no time, you don't need pro bowl CBs. Although I will concede it would be nice.

Laboy is going to be a beast next year.....TRUST. Especially if the Raider you not mentioning is on the roster. chillin on the island.

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Spending a bunch of money in FA is not always the answer, it's about spending it wisely and finding players that should [B]and could fit your system which may not always be the most popular choice. [B]

I'll keep my expectations low so I am not let down if we don't come out guns a blazing in FA.

Yeah I remember getting W Harris and fans were like what a STUPID Move...turned out the guy made the probowl and did well til his injury

Let's have another example.

Then let's name all the 2nd and 3rd rate free agents we've signed and compare how often these things work out as well as they did with Walt Harris.

QB and RG

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Spending a bunch of money in FA is not always the answer, it's about spending it wisely and finding players that should [B]and could fit your system which may not always be the most popular choice. [B]

I'll keep my expectations low so I am not let down if we don't come out guns a blazing in FA.

Yeah I remember getting W Harris and fans were like what a STUPID Move...turned out the guy made the probowl and did well til his injury

Let's have another example.

Then let's name all the 2nd and 3rd rate free agents we've signed and compare how often these things work out as well as they did with Walt Harris.

Takeo Spikes worked out pretty well, Ahmad Brooks and Travis Laboy are looking pretty solid. I dont remember how much hype surrounded Michael Lews but he had a nice career till he quit on us lol

I hope you're right.

i hope we go big in the FA and get some solid pieces but part of me feels that the Yorks blew their load signing Harbaugh :/

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Problem is depending on the CBA there might not be MUCH changes at all coming...

I am hoping Jim did not sign without discussing an improvement of the team with possible player acquisitions. Acquiring better players often requires opening the purse strings.

Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Problem is depending on the CBA there might not be MUCH changes at all coming...

I am hoping Jim did not sign without discussing an improvement the team with possible player acquisitions. Acquiring better players requires opening the purse strings.

The league has talked about forgoing FA if there is a long work stoppage and having FA's play for their last team for another season and paying a premium for having missed out on being a FA.

Believe I saw that discussed on NFL network around the time Harbaugh hunt 2011 was going on.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Problem is depending on the CBA there might not be MUCH changes at all coming...

I am hoping Jim did not sign without discussing an improvement the team with possible player acquisitions. Acquiring better players requires opening the purse strings.

The league has talked about forgoing FA if there is a long work stoppage and having FA's play for their last team for another season and paying a premium for having missed out on being a FA.

Believe I saw that discussed on NFL network around the time Harbaugh hunt 2011 was going on.

Thanks - did not pay attention concerning FAs and the CBA, Still, we can hope 49ers will spend some money as soon as an agreement is reached

Originally posted by VA9erfan:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
Spending a bunch of money in FA is not always the answer, it's about spending it wisely and finding players that should and could fit your system which may not always be the most popular choice.

I'll keep my expectations low so I am not let down if we don't come out guns a blazing in FA.

yep..you are right.....piss on the likes of Julius Peppers.....Niner's couldn't have used him......all about the system.

You wanted to pay 16 mil a year to the guy who had 8 sacks? 3 of which came in one game against a terrible team. Who's going to the superbowl? The teams built through the draft(GB and Pitt) or the teams built on FA/trade(Chi and NYJ)?